DIALOGUES WITH ALICE IN WONDERLAND
(south to Canada)
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=== Alice in Wonderland: ===
You would do well to translate the difference between the words: "terrorism"
and "fascism".
The government in Israel is presently under the "plurality" (NOT majority)
control of a government that operates within the tenets of a bellicose
nationalism.
The minority of dissenters living under this "regime" wherein the highest
laws of the land are ignored.. are growing in number.
Blessings on them.
M.
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=== Leon: ===
Dear Alice in Wonderland!
First of all, thank you for your response.
It was really polite. It's nice to know
that in this difficult time there is
someone, who's still maintaining
civilized stile of behavior.
I must also apologize for MY delayed
response. I wasn't sure if I have to
express my opinion vocally. My
mission is to open people's eyes. I am
not intended to influence directly
their views ("wives").
Apparently, I did not mean that all
Israelis are terrorists. When we say
"Russians" have invaded
Checko-Slovakia, or "Americans"
have occupied Iraq - it does not
mean that all Russians have
participated in that shameful event,
or even that they all approved it
(or Americans).
Obviously, you did not make here
the right point.
Your phrase "present administration of
bellicose nationalism" also doesn't match
this particular country and situation. I
mean - the word "present". It is like you
thinking that the state of Israel WAS
once not racist and nationalistic: and NOW it
been mutated. You may not know the Israeli
laws, and in particular basic laws, which
are so important in the country, where
there is no constitution.
There were "conscientious objectors" in
nazi Germany as well. However, it does
not make Hitler's regime better in our eyes,
right? The same corresponds to Israel.
"dissenters... are growing in number"
I disagree.....
I do not see dissidents in Israel, except of
Israel Sakhak, Lenny Brenner - and 3-6
other people, who understood that the
modern Israel as a state was created by
Hitler and other oppressive regimes, has
no moral rights for existence, and became
the most sinister place in the modern history.
A prime source about the nature of the state
of Israel are Israeli laws. Racism, fascism
(Israeli laws copying Nuremberg laws) and
nationalism are so clearly reflected in
Israeli LAW that anyone who would like to
know about Israel's true nature must learn
them first. One of the sources about Israeli
laws is my work on Israeli terrorism.
If you have questions or disagree - don't hesitate,
I am open to any civilized discussion.
Yours,
Leon GUNIN
P.S. - And - by the way -
when I've tried to open page
http://www. (.....)
it says "bad request, page
does not exist".
This is a true answer to your
skepticism about Israeli
terrorism (of course, it may
be not it, but may be it).
Alice in Wonderland L. wrote:
>
> I do not feel this way.
> I have many "good" Israeli friends who do not deserve to be so labelled
> because of their present administration of bellicose nationalism.
> Here are conscientious objectors:
>
> http://www. (......)
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Dear Leon,
I, too, lag behind.
Please excuse my delays as well, etc..
Since my last update from DCI (Defence
of Children Internatinal) divi=sion
Palestine I have been writing to get "this" out :
2) Alice in Wonderland L. : The Learning Experience of Rakan
The Palestinian Political Prisoners We Never Hear
About (Children), P=art III
Nothing much has changed for the Palestinian child who lives
in the Occupied Territories, except perhaps the greater chance
of either losing your home or becoming a dreadful statistic. If
you are a Palestinian teen, you do not have to assert yourself in
order to be treated like an adult.
Palestinian teenagers and even smaller children, are almost always
treated like adults by the Israeli Defense Forces. The sad truth is
some children have as many equal opportunities to get shot and
killed, as an adult civilian. Children and adolescents are arrested
just like adults and when taken off to Israeli military prisons, are
held just like adults. Massive retaliations almost always include
Palestinian youths. While it is quite true that in the Occupied
Territories, children and teenagers throw rocks and molotov
cocktails at the Israeli soldiers, it is also quite true that the Israeli
soldiers shoot with horrible bullets and kill them and/or drag them
off to prisons; often times without any formal charges. The IDF
does not discriminate between children and adults and weaponry
used by a child, because in theory, it appears that all Palestinian
children are assumed born into terrorism and are treated as such....
http://www. (.....)
I hope it gives some a "clue" about US American Ambassador to UN!
----- You wrote about Palestinian children
throwing rocks at their executioners-Israelis
as if the children are criminals or bandits....
I also had the nice fortune to attend a labyrinth/lunar eclipse/
harmonic concordance in Battery Park (lower Manhattan) last
night.
The Moon did not disappoint me (as humans do sometimes) I
hope you enjoyed your moon as well.
I began to write you back but fell into thinking about your name!
(see later below)
----- Original Message -----=20
Subject: Re: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
about dissidents =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
======= Alice in Wonderland wrote: =====
> Dear Alice in Wonderland!
> First of all, thank you for your response.
> It was really polite.
Why should people not be polite? I hope I am never so rude,
unless planning to be so!
It's nice to know
> that in this difficult time there is
> someone, who's still maintaining
> civilized stile of behavior.
You must mistake me for my British uncle! ~;)
I am an American.. and from New York! after all..
> I must also apologize for MY delayed
> response. I wasn't sure if I have to
> express my opinion vocally.
You may express your opine anytime and I
apologize for being so wary.
My
> mission is to open people's eyes. I am
> not intended to influence directly
> their views ("wives").
This was "funnee" at first because I though you
meant "wives" and wondered how many other
men's wives you were influencing, as in Rasputin!
(I realized you meant "lives" of course she says with
a giggle)
> Apparently, I did not mean that all
> Israelis are terrorists. When we say
> "Russians" have invaded
> Checko-Slovakia, or "Americans"
> have occupied Iraq - it does not
> mean that all Russians have
> participated in that shameful event,
> or even that they all approved it
> (or Americans).
OK. Thank you.
I have some empathy with Israelis because of
all this bad American business.
> Obviously, you did not make here
> the right point.
>
> Your phrase "present administration of
> bellicose nationalism" also doesn't match
> this particular country and situation. I
> mean - the word "present". It is like you
> thinking that the state of Israel WAS
> not racist and nationalistic: and now it
> been changed.
Oh no. The racism is MUCH worse and has been
growing more and more so.
That wall/fence is such a symbol.
The laws against Arab-Israelis are the "perfect"
Public Relations for proving Israel's racism.
So is spraying fields belonging to Bedouins,
while they are in them! also 100 homes
demolished...etc..
> You may not know the Israeli laws,
> and in particular basic laws, which
> are so important in the country, where
> there is no constitution.
> There were "conscientious objectors" in
> nazi Germany as well. However, it does
> not make Hitler's regime better in our eyes,
> right? The same corresponds to Israel.
There were also men of Jewish descent who
served in Hitler's Army. So?
There is much mumbling and dissent in Israel..
growing.. maybe NOT for altruistic reasons.. but
because this fascist regime costs a lot of money to
"upkeep" in military exspenses.
The economy is not doing well...
N P and I were searching for a "real" number/statistic
of folk LEAVING Israel.. but this is a "big" secret
> "dissenters... are growing in number"
> I disagree.
> I do not see dissidents in Israel, exept of
> Israel Sakhak, Lenny Brenner - and 3-6
> other people, who understand that modern
> Israel as a state was created by Hitler
> and other oppressive regimes, has no
> moral rights for existence, and became
> the most sinister place in the modern history.
Do not discredit the grass roots dissidents, because
we are not recognized as a real politick.
You will tell me about the dissidents who you know, please?
I would find that interesting, as I do learning about about
American Leftists from the West Coast.
I have signed copy of Alfred M. Lilienthal's "The
Zionist Connection"
Don't forget to include American Truman also to be blamed
for mess.. because he, did not want all the number of displaced
Jews to come here.
You will no doubt find it amusing that my 71 year
old peacenik friend has never given up on a one-state
solution! Ai yi yi! I do NOT have the heart to ever tell
her anything different. She has been at this a loooong time.
Some in N P do not like to use the word "refusnik" for the
conscientious objectors.. because of the Russian Jews who
were refused entry.
Sometimes "refusnik" also means only "reservists", not the
high school kids and shimmitism movement. Either way,
presently there is no greater thing an Israeli dissenter can do
for Palestine than refuse to carry a gun in the IDF and enter
the Occupied Territories
> A prime source about the nature of the state
> of Israel are Israeli laws.
This is true. I understand also how these laws are a
"manipulative" tool.
One of the sources about
> Israeli laws is my work on Israeli
> terrorism.
> If you have questions or disagree - don't hesitate,
> I am open to any civilised discussion.
I hope I shall afford you more courtesy than that..
I shall look at your work and make more fair and
honest comment.
> P.S. -
> it says "bad request, page
> does not exist".
I shall tell you that N P and most of NP folk have
been bombarded of late and bombarded with hate.
My closest Israeli friend, 71 years young ...is in the
states.. visiting her son on the west coast. Just before
she left.. she sent everyone a contact address and told
me that she would not be at her mail.
By her itinerary, the first day she was out of the country,
the first "leak" about Arrafat's $$$$ hidden monies, came
to me in her name.. but NOT from her. It was not far from
the truth.. but it was an "ugly" representation and definitely
NOT from her. I post various articles she sends me and I
believe I was meant to post this as coming from her. I knew
it was not from her because of the time stamps so I ignored
it and it was sent repeatedly.
Another form of "manipulation", n'est-ce pas?
Meantime I still have contact with N P, even with Dorothy
being gone for a few months. Elana, another woman is about
to come and speak in NYC and also Sergeiy sent this and it
works:
If this message was forwarded to you, you can subscribe to
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> This is a true answer to your
> scepticism about Israeli
> terrorism (of course, it may
> be not it, but may be it).
Now I come to the bottom of your letter. I shall read
your writing and again apologize for being suspicious.
I try to be careful and more careful.. because I am a bit
"in the clouds" sometimes
I hope I did not seem "harsh" to you in my carefulness ~;)
Here was my remembrance of YOUR name last night:
Leon! That is a "good" name in association to me...
I once had a music/voice professore named Leon Rudko.
He still is a Grandfather Spirit to me.
As a little boy, he survived horseman running down people
in the streets in Old Russia when he was a child.. because
someone rolled him into the deep curb of the street.
He came to America shortly after. His family was
predominantly Christian, but his mother raised him in her
Jewish faith. He married a Polish survivor who was hid as
a child in a convent school. Her family was predominantly
Jewish but she was called "Frances" and raised as a Catholic
by the nuns. He was a wonderful musician/teacher/mentor and
mostly socialist! I believe (his wife said) he ONLY wanted to
go to Israel.. just.. to argue ! at the Wailing Wall..
I lost my Russian "Grandfather" and my Irish (blood)
Grandfather within a two weeks of each other.
There have been many revolutions in my family. The
Irish side came from the north and went first to live in
France and then left there before the French Revolution
for America...and just before the American Revolution.
My mother was born in Honduras.. was also ...
Mexican/Indian and... Northern Italian.
My father was a sea captain and sailed in and out of the
Middle East. I still have some opening day "cover" stamps..
for Israel..Libya. Naples and ports in Lebanon were his
favorite places... In WWII he was a Merchant Marine and
sailed to Murmansk and was part of the convoys in the North
Atlantic.
I ramble....lol
sincerely Alice in Wonderland
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===== Leon: =========
------ The family name of your teacher -
"Rudko" - is Polish or Ukrainian.....
"Leon" is my Polish name. I was born
and raised in a Polish neighborhood
in Belarus. Many of my relatives were
Polish, too. I never knew - and I'll never
know, how and why my family (from my
mother mother's side) was divided
to a Polish and a Jewish branches.
My relatives were from Leszczynsky
and Potocky aristocratic Polish
clans, and the link to them originates
from my grandmother's mother.
Mother's father, Josef Epstein, was
considering himself as German, and
used to tell that his mother's mother
was German.
From my father's side and his parents
all relatives were Jewish, as far as the
memory of generations can reach.
However, from some of the dissident
rabbis I've learned that Gunins are
the last and the only existing tribe,
genetically connected with the ancient
Jews (Naftali tribe). All other "Jews"
have nothing to do with the ancient
Jews. They are ancestors of German
and Swedish tribes, whom the Jews
have began to convert into Judaism
even before the Christian era, and also
Hazars, Poles and some Spanish people.
However, because Gunins came from
before the "Jewish" time, and also
because they never really became a part
of the Jewish nation, they can be
considered as non-Jews, but only
Semito-Iranians (ancient Jews were
a mix of Iranian and Semitic tribes,
the tribe of Amoreas).
My Russian name is "Lev", and my
Yiddish name is "Laib".
My priAlice in Wonderland cultural roots are Polish.
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>Her family was predominantly
>Jewish but she was called "Frances" and raised
as a Catholic by the nuns. He was a wonderful
musician/teacher/mentor and mostly socialist!
I believe (his wife said) he ONLY wanted to go
to Israel..just..to argue ! at the Wailing Wall..
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------ History of any family can show
an example of genetic convergation.
However, there always been a competition
between nations, which did everything to
preserve their uni-genetic "purity" - and
multiethnic tribes. Jews - Arabs, Indians -
and their neighbors (Chinese - and
Russians or Tibetans....) The most ancient
racists - as Indians (these ones were the most
cruel and sadistic in human history - and
Jews, unfortunately, have taken lot from
them; however, those ancient Indians-racists -
they don't exist any more, or only a very
small number of them - a secret sect - exist)
or Jews - were defeated by the nature of
things, and totally lost their genetic "purity"
and genetic links to their ancient predecessors.
Any nation is tending to form an empire, and
when an empire is formed – then: good-by,
national "purity". It means that the Jews were
defeated by Arabs centuries ago. And what's
now going on - has no importance any more.
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Be continued in the next "envelope".
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====== Leon's Letter: ======
(Alice in Wonderland's Original Statement)
You must mistake me for my British uncle! ~;)
I am an American..and from New York! after all..
> I must also apologize for MY delayed
> response. I wasn't sure if I have to
> express my opinion vocally.
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---- Well-well.... I like New-Yorkers and le
mond from Boston and Mountain Lakes. I don't
like the political climate and the "hole" (whole)
atmosphere in southern US. And I cannn't say
that I dislike British so much.... Listen, this is
not about Americans. It's rather about Zionism.
USA - after Israel - is the second largest center
of the Jewish Zionism, and many Americans
(not only American Jews) become furious
against people, who vocally criticize Israeli regime
and Palestinian genocide; they have an extremely
aggressive reaction, when you remind them about
world-wide Jewish terrorism.
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> This was "funnee" at first because I though you meant "wives" and
> wondered how many other men's wives you were influencing, as in
> Rasputin! (I realized you meant "lives" of course she says with a
> giggle)
===============
-- Of course, it was a joke, the word should
be sounding "views". Semantic reverse.
===============
> Apparently, I did not mean that all
> Israelis are terrorists. When we say
> "Russians" have invaded
> Checko-Slovakia, or "Americans"
> have occupied Iraq - it does not
> mean that all Russians have
> participated in that shameful event,
> or even that they all approved it
> (or Americans).
==============
OK. Thank you.
I have some empathy with Israelis because
of all this bad American
business.
==============
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I must make here a point.
I am an anti-racist. However,
I WAS in Israel, I spent 3
terrible years there (I was
taken there from Warsaw by
force). And I suggest that "all"
"good" Israelis are leaving their
brutal country sooner 'r later.
I wonder, why you don't mention
Christians and other non-Jews.
Israeli laws - and, first of all, -
this super-racist Law of Return -
are swords, which have been
directed against all non-Jews, and
sometimes against all non-Israelis.
The definition of "Israelis" see below.
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> There were also men of Jewish descent who served
in Hitler's Army. So?
----- Very few. And, of course, others
did not know that they were Jews. In
general, this is historically incorrect.
> There is much mumbling and dissent in Israel..
growing..maybe NOT for altruistic reasons.. but
because this fascist regime costs a lot of money
to "upkeep" in military exspenses.
The economy is not doing well...
------ I don't see much difference between
Golda Meir / Peres - and Sharon. They
are same bloody criminals, a type that
even in the political world is a rare exception.
You probably did not realized indeed, what
the Israeli regime is.
NP and I were searching for a "real"
number/statistic of folk
LEAVING Israel..but this is a "big" secret
------ Exactly!
========
You will tell me about the dissidents who you know,
please? I would find that interesting, as I do learning
about about American Leftists from the West Coast.
----- Of course, I'll tell you.
I'll prepare for you several links soon.
> I have signed copy of Alfred M. Lilienthal's "The
Zionist Connection".
----- I think that I have mentioned this book
in (at least) one of my works.
> Don't forget to include American Truman also
> to be blamed for mess..
> because he, did not want all the number of
displaced Jews to come here.
----- Do you know, WHO some of these displaced
Jews were? And that's not the only reason. If not
Truman, Jewish Zionist occupation of America
would occur (on the present scale) in 1950-s
already.
On the other hand: do you know that most of
the people, who came to Israel as immigrants
in 1940-s and 1950-s - did not come voluntarily,
but were taken there by force?
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> You will no doubt find it amusing that my 71 year
old peacenik friend has never given up on a one-state
solution! Ai yi yi! I do NOT have the heart to ever tell
her anything different. She has been at this a loooong time.
Some in NP do not like to use the word "refusnik" for the
conscientious objectors..because of the Russian Jews who
were refused entry. Sometimes "refusnik" also means only
"reservists", not the high school kids and shimmitism
movement. Either way, presently there is no greater thing
an Israeli dissenter can do for Palestine than refuse to
carry a gun in the IDF and enter the Occupied Territories
====================
----- Sincerely, I did not understand, what entry
were Russian Jews refused. If you can, please,
give me more details.
====================
Just before she left..she sent everyone a
contact address and told me that she would not be at her mail.
By her itinerary, the first day she was out of the country, the first
"leak" about Arrafat's $$$$ hidden monies, came to me in her name..
but NOT from her. It was not far from the truth.. but it was an "ugly"
representation and definitely NOT from her. I post various articles she
sends me and I believe I was meant to post this as coming from her. I
knew it was not from her because of the time stamps so I ignored it and
it was sent repeatedly. Another form of "manipulation", n'est-ce pas?
====================
---- Oui, certainement. This is what my
work on Israeli terrorism is all about.
Let me tell you something. I have an impression
that
you don't clearly understand, what Israel and Israelis are.
From outside of Israel the word "Israeli" carries mostly
one - and single - meaning. However, inside Israel this
word has two very different connotations. One - official -
means: an Israeli citizen. The other - half-hidden - is very
complex.
In its sense "Israeli" mean 1) an Ashkenazi Jew from West
or Central Europe (not from East Europe and not from
United States); 2) an Ashkenazi Hassid from USA; 3) a
native-born Israeli of Ashkenazi descent (if his / her parents
were Jews from West - Central Europe, plus Poland,
Hungary, Check or Slovak. But if from Russia, Belarus,
Ukraine, Romania, Moldova, and some other places: then
only in 2-nd - 3-rd generation); 4) A small number of
Sefardic Jews, raised in Ashkenazi neighborhoods and
accepted in Ashkenazi circles.
This is a definition of a "True Israeli". Of course, some
Israelis will tell you that I'm incompetent: and will find
"mistakes" in my description. This is because
I've simplified it for better understanding and shorter
"list of terms".
If you are a true Israeli, you have an access to better
education, profitable job, privileges, and utilization of
Palestinian, Ethiopian, Russian, etc. slavish' labor.
There are 2 special Labor Codes in Israel: "kablanut"
and "kviyut", which define slavery acceptable and
regulate slave masters - traders rights. Slaves are
recruited mostly on racial - ethnic ground. The first
code is completely about legalizing slavery, when
the second is a double-standard code. For weak
social - ethnic groups it works by enslaving them,
when for the upper ethnic - social classes it works
always in favor of them.
I have found something very fanny about all these
Israeli peace activists, defenders of Palestinians'
rights, etc. They noisily cry about peace with
Palestinians, in the same time using Palestinian
slaves at their enterprises and homes, and
treating their Palestinian slaves really bad. I
used to know a kablan (a "master", "owner",
"subcontractor"), who killed a Palestinian for
disobeying his orders at a construction site -
and in the same time continued to be an
"advocate for Palestinians' rights". This is why
no one honest and well-informed person trust
ANY Israeli.
On the first place, all these Israeli so called
peace- (or "pro-Palestinian") activists, leftists,
etc. - are hypocrites because BEFORE raising
the Palestinian and other important questions
they should denounce persecution, discrimination,
beatings, abuse, rapes, harassment of their own
fellow-Israelis: Russian Jews and non-Jews,
Ethiopians, Yemenites, Jews from Bukhara, and
some others. Even some of the secular or reform
American Jews are discriminated and maltreated in
Israel.
The key issue in Israel is elimination of slavery.
Slavery is not forbidden by Israeli criminal code;
it is permitted on all levels of Israeli law.
Palestinian problem is unsolved not only
because of Israeli expansionism and desire
to own Palestinian water and other natural
resources. First of all, slavery is the strongest
Israeli habit, and the biggest in human history
concentration camp on Earth - so called
"territories" - is needed to fulfil their slavish
labor demands. They made territories a
"natural" reservoir of self-producing slaves,
and this is a priAlice in Wonderland value of the territories
for Israelis.
Israeli leftists should fight for elimination of
slavery, for making slavery in Israel illegal.
Israeli kablans should be charged - and
receive a criminal record or even severe
punishments for beating, killing, torturing and
viciously exploiting their Palestinian workers.
A minimum wage for Palestinians should be
strictly respected, and kablans, who violate
this - should be punished. However, neither
first or the second in Israel is possible,
because Israeli society is the most corrupted
in the world.
Your Israeli friend may be a left activist - and,
in the same time - treat her Russian social
worker's "assistant" (caregiver) or a Russian
room maid, or babysitter as a slave. I used to
know many and many of the most radical
Israeli leftists: and all of them in reality were
racists and retrogrades. There is one girl, an
Israeli origin, here, in Montreal. She presents
herself as a peace activist and fighter against
Jewish religious obscurancy. When we have
discussed her Israeli accent, she told me -
emphasizing her words: "ALL Israelis speak
in English like me, this is a real Israeli accent."
When I've tried to dispute this, she became
very angry, and has repeated: "All ISRAELIS
speak like THIS." It mean that for her an
Israeli Jew from Russian or Sephardic
background, born in Israel, is not an Israeli, at
least if wasn't assimilated by so called "Israeli
Ashkenazi culture".
Sadism and racism sit in Israelis on subconscious
level. This is why most of non-racists and non-
cruel Israelis normally escape from their
motherland before they are 30 - 36.
Yours truly,
Leon
=====================
======= Leon =======
Dear Alice in Wonderland!
I suspect that you did not receive my previous
e-mail - or YOUR response has never reached
me. I've decided not to repeat my last letter,
because I believe that the time and space are
evolve non-stop, and an energy, which was
packed in my lost (?) letter, does not correspond
this evolution any more.
After reading your calm and inspiring poem I
have decided to send you couple of my works.
My most important literary works are written in
Polish and Russian: my native languages. However,
I'm writing poetry in few other languages, including
English.
Here are my English poems - for your judgement:
Leon (Lev)
GUNIN
small piggy-bank
it's desperately bright
shadows are like pyramids
i've been coming here 2 days in a row
my newly-formed baalamb
with a deep hole put on preparedness
a piggy-bank has a drop-slot on her back
your drop-slot is in your tender perineum
piggy-wiggy-bank for male seed
hoovered during last sunday
convolution of your frizzles
are whimsier then those of your brain
nature has many talents
as long as you live
you keep learning by mistakes
committed by others
everything's boring
my legal spouse's wisdom
came to an equinoctial balance
with the platitude of a moon-faced lap-dog
living in a well-maintained flat
in addition "merci mon amour"
speaking out with an english accent
an image of few nickels for a parking-meter
is sufficient to pay for accommodation
see ya tomorrow
2001
Leon (Lev) GUNIN
OBLITERATION
this powerful crescendo of the night storm
this magic of drops in nowhere
only you must know something about it
you THE ONE
the oblitier
wet pavements full of tears from the sky
dizzy windows from picasso paintings
they are shadows in your eye
shadows of chinese theatre
reflections in non-organic brain-creation
when blood from the wound of the horizon
will gradually chew blue spherical background
you will be writing the code of the next day
this very skeleton of universe
obliteration
August, 2003. Montreal
==================================
If you like them, I'll send you more.
In poetry, my priority is to show an atmosphere,
creating a unique virtual place of concentration and
meditation.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Yours,
Leon
Alice in Wonderland wrote:
>
>
> True Moon Last
>
> I stood and Laughed
> And was very Brave
> To do so.
>
> My Heart
> Had Died Consumed
> Pride and Love Stricken
> As well as Doomed
>
> Misplaced Trust
> In No Other
> God Gone
> But Not Forgotten
>
> To Mock Myself
> I Laughed
> and Caused the
> Universe to Know
>
> In One Moment
> A World was Lost
> A Star's Falling
> As It Went to
> Blackened
> Void
> At 8:13 PM (New York Time) on November 8, 2003, a geometrically perfect
> six sided (Star of David) configuration will appear in the sky, linking
> and balancing the energies of six astrological bodies; the Sun, Jupiter,
> Mars, Saturn, Chiron and the Moon. In addition, there will be an eclipse
> of the full moon at this time. This Grand Sextile astrological
> configuration, accompanying a total
> lunar eclipse, has never before occurred in recorded history.
> Thank you for reading my perspective. My perspective is always slightly
> akimbo as I was supposed to be left handed but forced to use right.
My
> perspective is a bit like that. Ambidextrous but overcompensating for
both
> by being clumsy...and little slanted to the Left ! HARRRRR
> Remember, also this perspective is non-academic and very Americanized.
The
> community where I live and work is diverse and multicultural but almost
> apolitical. In any other country around the world, people sit
and talk and
> drink and eat politick! If you stood on my Turnpike and
protested "The
> Wall" most people would say,
>
"What Wall"
> I saw the eclipse from a labyrinth walk in Battery Park, at the
southern
> tip of Manhattan.
> I am off tomorrow for Saturday and can write more. You have sent many
> interesting things and I hope to resond. Until then, in harmonic
> concordance. M.
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===== Alice in Wonderland: ======
Fret Nyet.
I know I DID respond and then paused long enough to do .. a Final Edit.
I decided ... agin it and then redid it and then redundit! It became a yellow
stream of unconsciousness
I would not have you think me .........Such an American!
I think at one point I wished to know more about the Ancient Tribe and why
it is so hated.* And to whose advantage was it to be so hated?
*I have been discussing the Native tribes (Iroquois Confederation) and the
role women played in governing and government.
It has been perpetuated that "women" of the tribes...were all downtrodden
"squaws" This is a white European myth. Women, in the Iroquois Confederation
had final say about the removal of a chief and were matrilineal and the
property owners of the tribe.
Women of the Iroquois and Seneca Nation actually gave up rights to become
second and third class American citizens.
See how I digress? it was the same with the reply...
=============================
Dear Alice in Wonderland!
I suspect that you did not receive my previous
e-mail - or YOUR response has never reached
me. I've decided not to repeat my last letter,
because I believe that the time and space are
evolve non-stop, and an energy, which was
packed in my lost (?) letter, does not correspond
this evolution any more.
===============================
Evolution?
Laughter.
I began (the reply) and was going along rather well and then......fell...
to.... dissolution!
I may have mentioned Irish Grandfather again, this time reading to me from
the Talmud and Qu'ran and telling me those two works AND the Christian Bible
have in common a.... general regard of their superiority over the other
two.. and a general.... disregard for the women folk. Laughs.
He raised me... instead on faerie folk and told me to be ready at all times
for that day and/or night the gypsies would return for me. (I still have
a
knapsack packed)
I DO know that between YOU and Lilienthal, I could have a curriculum that
could potentially fill the vast void of zionism AND my
understanding/misunderstanding of zionism....
BUT...
I am also reminded of my second to last visit, to the UN.
The Conference (9/03) about the Palestinian people) broke down at one point
into audience participation between two Jews.... fighting it out .....over
Zionism! This was a surealistic and poignant moment for me.. because it
symbolized the exact nature of the "problem".
Children being rounded up and hauled off to military prisons while the world
argues the validity of a Jewish state.
Do you know what I mean? (without, of course, being insulted, please)
=========
======= Leon: =====
After reading your calm and inspiring poem I
have decided to send you couple of my works.
==========
Calm? it is nice for you to say so and in truth I am always especially calm
....in other people's physical and spiritual emergencies..but never so in
my
daily life! Laughs...I can not walk between two objects without tripping
over ....myself! I , who was forced to be right handed (by the Little
Sisters of the Marquis de Sade) can adapt to ambi-dextrous but
overcompensate in clumsiness.
Ex. I have just come from my library and having slid quite undiginified (and
fortunately privately) onto the waxed floors! I have re-opened the last two
recent wounds on my knees and am icing even as I write. I am now laughing
at
the same time ..as whining.
=================
======== Leon ======
My most important literary works are written in
Polish and Russian: my native languages. However,
I'm writing poetry in few other languages, including
English.
===================
Alice in Wonderland:
This is amazing to me and thank you so much for
sharing your Creativity and Spirit.
I think.. poetry is as good for your soul's ...translation as the Polish
and
Russian is for your "most important literary works"
I think I began to write to you that I am generally
overcome by the beauty
of how Russian font looks in print.
(I feel this way about Arabic as well)
==============
Here are my English poems - for your judgement:
==============
This is more fun. Do you see how in one swoop..
poetry replaces the conceptual politics of experience?
Can you see color? when I answer in text? ....scroll down....
I liked this one, Leon (Lev) = piggy-bank
Now. I dare you, Silver Dollar Daddy,
To call ...your legal and illegal, spouse:
Dearest
Drop Slot.
Grins.
OBLITERATION
........ I like this one two...it has such a powerful dynamism of
images...
================
If you like them, I'll send you more.
---------------------------
Yes.
No more boredom, or bored dumb,
Leon the Leveler! Nowhere is Now Here!
===================
In poetry my priority is to show an atmosphere,
creating a unique virtual place of concentration and
meditation.
===================
Hope to hear from you soon.
Yours,
Leon
I'll see you, a poesie and raise you, a painting..
I began this painting for the "brother of my heart". Although I had
not
seen him for awhile, I rather took for granted his physical presence in my
life. I always thought in dotage we would catch up on the betweens.
The last time I saw him he asked me if I was happy. I answered that being
happy is always too easy to remember, after the fact, and that it is
life's
plateaus I am now trying to cultivate and harvest.
He called me shortly after I began the painting in order to tell me of his
fatal diagnosis and later he would call to tell me that he was not afraid
to
die. I worked like a Toltec, but when near completion I became superstitious
and would not finish it.
He passed one week later, just before his birthday and just before I could
show it to him.
It is called "deeply rooted".
M.
==============================
===== Alice in Wonderland: ====
I must acknowledge this and that I read it all and 2 and 1 as well.
I hope you do not think my distraction was rude. Please forgive me
if you have felt slighted.
Do you mean Sephardic Jews are not acceptable to Ashkenazi?
I know about racism and double standards. I am an American, remember.
----- She says with her chin up.
I am also Central American and ethnically know about Occupation on
this side of the Ocean.
I am a woman and will not say further what you will not experience..etc...
As for Israeli law.. it seems a "law" ...of convenience and only the
convenience of Israelis.
How did you experience Israel?
Are you one who escaped?
What you have said about "escaping ages 30 - 36 etc...." reminds me that
in
my mind and heart I have always wanted to remind Israel that by its
very
nature.... Palestine has won and won 1,000 x over and over again because
the
children of Israel will one day grow up and learn to judge the lies of their
parents and to reject their parents.
I feel in the peacnik Israelis I know..especially the older ones that there
is a "frantic" need about this.
I wrote this after the poetry response because I realized how bad it was
not to send you even my draft especially when you were so sincere about
response and studious and scholarly. I do not mean to be flippant and/or
dismissive.
However, I must tell you that even at protests...and direct actions,
whenever I am confronted by real sincere
loathing (on either side) I dissolve and ...become invisible until that time
I feel it is safe to reappear...I tell you this because I think it was in
the dynamic of why I did not settle into an answer for you. It does not mean
I am afraid to confront the hatred; only that I do not wish to replace it
with ..more of the same.
It is why I concentrate on International and Humanitarian Laws that are
clear cut (and ignored)
I do not like the dynamic of hate. Hatred is a powerful tool but lacks real
transformative Alchemy. There is no Magick in hating and the haters
know
this and resent those of us who believe in Magick and practice Magick.
Do you understand my metaphor?
Now, I go limping to my bed and DreamTime.
Alice in Wonderland
====================
===== Alice in Wonderland: ======
Re social classes/distinctions in Israel:
I meant to add that I am well aware that the conscientious
objector movement in the Israeli high schools.. shimmitism..
springs forth from the wealthier kids in an upper social class.
NP is very up front about this ..as I was when asked about
"feminist" ideals with the response that I am more of a
"subversive sexist" than a "feminist":
That does not mean I do not demand/expect equal pay,
benefits, rights, etc...
only a further connotation that ..if all men claim to be
created equal....women are then relatively created.......
better ....than that!
Harrrrrrr
M.
Leon (Lev) GUNIN
small piggy-bank
> it's desperately bright
> shadows are like pyramids
> i've been coming here 2 days in a row
> my newly-formed baalamb
> with a deep hole put on preparedness
> a piggy-bank has a drop-slot on her back
> your drop-slot is in your tender perineum
> piggy-wiggy-bank for male seed
> hoovered during last sunday
>
> convolution of your frizzles
> are whimsier then those of your brain
> nature has many talents
> as long as you live
> you keep learning by mistakes
> committed by others
>
> everything's boring
>
> my legal spouse's wisdom
> came to an equinoctial balance
> with the platitude of a moon-faced lap-dog
> living in a well-maintained flat
> in addition "merci mon amour"
> speaking out with an english accent
>
> an image of few nickels for a parking-meter
> is sufficient to pay for accommodation
>
> see ya tomorrow
>
> 2001
>
Alice in Wonderland L.
> >
> >
> > True Moon Last
> >
> > I stood and Laughed
> > And was very Brave
> > To do so.
> >
> > My Heart
> > Had Died Consumed
> > Pride and Love Stricken
> > As well as Doomed
> >
> > Misplaced Trust
> > In No Other
> > God Gone
> > But Not Forgotten
> >
> > To Mock Myself
> > I Laughed
> > and Caused the
> > Universe to Know
> >
> > In One Moment
> > A World was Lost
> > A Star's Falling
> > As It Went to
> > Blackened
> > Void
>
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Dear Levleon,
Quick note:
I am at the children's room at the library (where literature is really
still happenin' !)
First off.. I am not angry...
lol "laughing out loud"
Also ..because of my "left hand" situation..
and because of bad situation when I was a baby..
I am slightly dyslexic.. and so I make up words
and play with words and am a poet with words
as such.
In between living in New Orleans and moving back to nyc when I was a
baby.. i stopped speaking all together. At night, however, I would often
sit
up in bed and speak from my sleep in a strange gibberish that my now
elderly aunt said sounded like either gaelic or hebrew! (perhaps it
was
even arabic!)
I have a sardonic AND silly sense of humor. I laugh first at myself..
but be careful if you are standing next to me!
I "play" with words.
"fret nyet" = do not fret.."don't worry about it" etc...
It is not in any dictionary.
Always ask.
Also when I am angry about something I shall always tell you or
anyone almost immediately if not in pre recognition. If you are a
man..I shall probably have to tell you over and over again..Laughs,
as is my custom and experience of Big Galouks.
Big Galouk = The Man
Hah. I would call you up in the middle of the night and tell you if I
thought I left something out..I would sky write it from an airplane...I
would make up a song about it and sing it and even get others to be a chorus
BUT..If I am really angry; I apply my grandmother's principle: "never let
the sun go down on your anger"..in other words..express it and get over it..
========================
Alice in Wonderland wrote:
> Fret Nyet.
>
---- I must admit that you gave me a good intellectual
task by your Fret Nyet. I've tried one Internet search
engine after another one - and did not find any referrals
to "Fret Nyet". Maybe the second word is a Russian
word "HET" ("njet")? Then - what is the first and in
which language?
**** > that is sooo cute..you looked it up..lol
that is like looking up Ogden Nash or trying to "map"
Alice in Wonderland with sense and sensibilities.
I am..a wee bit "touched" you know..sometimes by the devil and sometimes
by
the angel...add to it I am a bit "ditsy" but then just when you think I am
beyond comprehension...I surprise everyone. I am the type that can tell you
the answer to the long algebraic problem but I can not tell you how I
arrived at a "conclusion".
An astrologer once said the real redeeming factor about my chart was that
I
was born a woman into THIS century.
I have a strange kind of "luck" as well. I would not call it lucky to, say
slip and fall in mud..but I am the type that will come up all muddy holding
a dollar! Hah..Do you understand? Good fortune would be never falling...in
the first place!
----- I got your point about American democracy.
****>And American "occupation" of a culture? a culture that was not
"savage" but had a society.
Look what the Europeans did to the ancient South Americans..my mothers
tribe..Aztec and Inca..
These were highly developed civilizations that had advanced science and
medicine while those that came from Europe did not know even to take a bath!
But they had "gunpowder" and in the name of Jesus they burned the soles of
the feet of the priests and elders looking for "gold" ....
=======
Leon:
And I've noticed repercussions of a marvelous
book - "Bruto Chao" (which was probably
translated into English (?) : I have it in its original
Italian) in your observation.
========
*****>I shall have to look for this. I can read a little italiano..but
do
not speak well. I have a good ear for music but not for language..I listen
to language like it is "music"..and some are more musical than others..
> See how I digress? it was the same with the reply...
========
Leon:
------ Sorry, your parallel //with the reply//
have escaped my understanding of your logic.
Or (if I guess correctly) it may be figured out
by reading your text below. I must confess
that I never look in the end of the letter :
I always read line by line. It is one of my
principles.
=========
******>then you may have a Merry Alice in Wonderland chase with me! forwards
and
backwards!
==========
Leon:
However, you've already amazed me by
your rich metaphors and the combination
of the graphic expression of your text, your
illustrations (design) - and alltogether. I was
thinking: wow! what a sweet, what an elegant
person! I am glad that the knowledge of
English and other languages gives me an
opportunity to communicate with the most
descent people - and understand them even
when they express themselves through the
most advanced literary style.
==============
Thank you.
I "see" in YOU someone who desires to express themselves... in all
languages! and someone who has alot to express..including the darker
side of your experiences.
You must tell me when I am not meant to be..flippant or when it is not
appropriate.
I try to be "careful" of feelings, etc..sensitivities....especially if it
is cultural. Most Americans..New Yorkers..especially are a great meld.
What culture shocks and tidal waves I see in my community!
I live somewhat close to nyc and so there is much diversity..and it is
really interesting to see old cultures adapt while clinging to old ways,
etc..
My big regret is not speaking spanish..but I hope to change that one day.
Until that time I shall "play" with English as much as I can.
I shall answer the rest of this at lunch or later..ok?
Levleon
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mai - Check your email from the web at
==========================================
======= Leon's Response: ======
> I would not have you think me .........Such an American!
---- Don't apologise. There is no place for
such a generalisation in normal circumstances.
> I think at one point I wished to know more about the Ancient Tribe and
why
> it is so hated.* And to whose advantage was it to be so hated?
> *I have been discussing the Native tribes (Iroquois Confederation) and
the
> role women played in governing and government.
> It has been perpetuated that "women" of the tribes...were all downtrodden
> "squaws" This is a white European myth. Women, in the Iroquois Confederation
> had final say about the removal of a chief and were matrilineal and
the
> property owners of the tribe.
> Women of the Iroquois and Seneca Nation actually gave up rights to become
> second and third class American citizens.
>
----- I got your point about American democracy.
And I've noticed repercussions of a marvelous
book - "Bruto Chao" (which was probably
translated into English (?) : I have it in its original
Italian) in your observation.
> See how I digress? it was the same with the reply...
------ Sorry, your parallel //with the reply//
have escaped my understanding of your logic.
Or (if I guess correctly) it may be figured out
by reading your text below. I must confess
that I never look in the end of the letter :
I always read line by line. It is one of my
principles.
------ However, you've already amazed me
by your rich metaphors and the combination
of the graphic expression of your text, your
illustrations (design) - and alltogether. I was
thinking: wow! what a sweet, what an elegant
person! I am glad that the knowledge of
English and other languages gives me an
opportunity to communicate with the most
descent people - and understand them even
when they express themselves through the
most advanced literary style.
> I began (the reply) and was going along rather well and then......fell...
> to.... dissolution!
----- Well... it's not a bad rhyme - a humorous one.
However, we can go farther : to noun "dissolve".
If you read my connotation.
> I may have mentioned Irish Grandfather again, this time reading to me
from
> the Talmud and Qu'ran and telling me those two works AND the Christian
Bible
> have in common a.... general regard of their superiority over the other
> two.. and a general.... disregard for the women folk. Laughs.
> He raised me... instead on faerie folk and told me to be ready at all
times
> for that day and/or night the gypsies would return for me. (I still
have a
> knapsack packed)
----- I see. Inequality is not in Talmud or Qu'ran,
or in secret Masonic scripts, but in human genes.
It is programmed by necessity to maintain the
balance and the contrast in the same "team" (I'm
playing with words, too ; team here means a
combination of TIME and TEAM and TEME).
Rules of the artificial universe, in which we've
been placed, dictate this. If the female "half" rules -
then the male are not equal to women. If opposite -
then the opposite. Equality is an ability to match
existing social and cultural standards, enjoying them.
However, only a small part of any society can
"match and enjoy". Logically it is natural: an ideal
balance (static) means death.
You may disagree, but I still consider Talmud the
most inhuman, cold-blood cruel, limitless cynical
and icy-scholastic: comparing to Qu'ran and New
Testament. Of course, it was a big step ahead
comparing to more ancient religions, like Hinduism.
> I DO know that between YOU and Lilienthal, I could have a curriculum
that
> could potentially fill the vast void of zionism AND my
> understanding/misunderstanding of zionism....
>
> BUT...
>
> I am also reminded of my second to last visit, to the UN.
>
> The Conference (9/03) about the Palestinian people) broke down at one
point
> into audience participation between two Jews.... fighting it out .....over
> Zionism! This was a surealistic and poignant moment for me.. because
it
> symbolized the exact nature of the "problem".
>
> Children being rounded up and hauled off to military prisons while the
world
> argues the validity of a Jewish state.
>
> Do you know what I mean? (without, of course, being insulted, please)
>
------- Of course, I understand, what you mean.
For me, the most surealistic and bizarre is that
very few people understand that the Palestinians
(as Russian, Ethiopian and other immigrants to Israel)
are victims of slavery. Slavery (which is permitted
and regulated by Israeli law) is NUMBER ONE
issue in so called Palestinian question. If Israeli
Ashkenazi Jewish elite would not care to have
Palestinian slaves, then so called "transfer"
(deportation of Palestinians to Arab countries)
would become a reality. Israel - as a country,
which ignores the International public opinion
and UN, - would do this.
Israelis tried to have Russian slaves, and failed
(in spite of non-stop abuse, killings and
persecution of Russian immigrants); they tried
with foreign workers - and failed. At the present
moment Israeli immigration laws were so dramatically
revised, that if you want (as a foreign worker) go there:
go!.. In spite of this, less and less foreign workers migrate
to Israel (the total number may grow, but there is a tricky
specific counting). Even people from very poor
and unstable countries, where poverty is horrible,
have no desire to go to Israel, because they are
aware of unspeakable cruelty of Israeli employers,
and Israeli laws and traditions, which give a foreign
worker in Israel a status of an animal (or even less).
Another key issue in Israel, an Israeli landmark -
is an enormous exploitation of sex slaves. No
country has these numbers in proportion to its
population, no country has the government,
police, custom officials, army, etc. - directly
involved into sex slaves trade and bordellos
exploitation. Israel became world's No 1
destination and transit point in selling and
buying women and children. In no other
country sex slaves are kept so openly as
prisoners, and - on the other hand - continue
to be prisoners even outside their custody.
Another specific characteristic of Israeli
sex slaves trade is that in other countries
(like USA) women are "imported" via
open hiring for massage parlours, night
clubs, etc. - or - sometimes - through
deceptive promises, and many of them are
not completely innocent persons, but criminal-
minded prostitutes or adventurers, hungry of
sex and trouble. In Israel, on the contrary, most
of the women were kidnapped in their native
countries or from third countries (or at sea),
by Israeli pirates. It is also significant that the
number of girls under 16 exploited in Israeli
"bordello prisons" is probably almost as high
as in Thailand. By the way, Israel has
numerous Thai girls, "utilised" as sex slaves
and cheap labourers (caregivers, home workers,
cleaners, room maids, etc.), who are sexually
abused on everyday basis.
The world feminist movement, influenced
by the Jewish (and - especially - Israeli)
feminists-libertarians, the most influential
group inside this movement, ignores this
horrible problem, when AI and UN have been
systematically targeting Israel, accusing of
doing nothing to crack down the sex trade.
> After reading your calm and inspiring poem I
> have decided to send you couple of my works.
>
> Calm? it is nice for you to say so and in truth I am always especially
calm
> ....in other people's physical and spiritual emergencies.. but never
so in my
> daily life! Laughs...I can not walk between two objects without
tripping
> over ....myself! I , who was forced to be right handed (by the Little
> Sisters of the Marquis de Sade) can adapt to ambi-dextrous but
> overcompensate in clumsiness.
---- I am sorry if I've insulted you and provoked
your anger by misinterpreting the character of
your poem. I can understand your intentions, but
they are not surfaced in your poetry language.
Your prose, your epistolary "works" are much
more impressive, significant and adequate. I receive
hundreds of literary works from Polish and Russian
marginal authors, who know my poetry, prose and
literary criticism, and turn to my judgement. I never
afraid of rapture if I read something really talented,
and never hide my disapproval if my taste doesn't
buy it. However, I never forget to warn people that
they should not feel insulted - because my opinion
is strictly personal, based on my (and only mine)
esthetical taste.
Your poem :
=============
True Moon Last
I stood and Laughed
And was very Brave
To do so.
(etc.)
=============
- is a reflection of British scholastic classicism, and
classicism in British romanticism, like Spencer
(whom I don't like) or Milton (whom I like, but not
VERY MUCH), etc., and also a reflection of the
didactical style of the religious poets like Auden.
I adore Blake, Coleridge, Shakespeare, Keats, Shelley,
Byron, Joyce, Kippling, Edgar Poe, Pound, Eliot. I
don't like Burns, Walt Whitman, and some other poets.
I see in your straightforward and lapidary rhymes
("consumed - doomed"), in didactics and
pseudo-rationality, in your grandiloquent style -
not just a lack of sincerity, but also a poetical
immaturity. When your prosaic style is mature,
excellent and amazing, your poetical style
is static, cold and CALM. Forgive me my
sharp judgement. You must understand that this
is only my very personal opinion, and your poetry
might be objectively mature, non-marginal and
very good. I did not want to express my opinion
in SUCH a way, but you've provoked me by your
pathetic exclamation in reaction to my "calm" characteristic.
> Ex. I have just come from my library and having slid quite undignified
(and
> fortunately privately) onto the waxed floors! I have re-opened the last
two
> recent wounds on my knees and am icing even as I write. I am now laughing
at
> the same time ..as whining.
>
----- This must be the cost of KNOWLEDGE.
Your description is so bright, so immediate and
impressive that I had to hold on my breath. I hope
that by now your wounds are healing.
> My most important literary works are written in
> Polish and Russian: my native languages. However,
> I'm writing poetry in few other languages, including
> English.
>
> This is amazing to me and thank you so much for sharing your Creativity
and
> Spirit.
>
----- Thank you. I feel uneasy to meet your
politeness after straightway criticising your
poem. Forgive me....
> I think..poetry is as good for your soul's ...translation as the Polish
and
> Russian is for your "most important literary works"
>
> I think I began to write to you that I am generally overcome by the
beauty
> of how Russian font looks in print.
----- And again - I must wonder, what does it mean:
because Russian fonts are almost the same as
English, in exception of few Greek letters, which
are still existing in Russian writing. Words like
HET, OTBET, BbITb, TYT, and another 80 %
of Russian words are written by the same characters,
which you see in your English writing.
> (I feel this way about Arabic as well)
---- Arabic is completely different. This is
another, non-European culture, but still much
closer to Europe then Jewish, Japanese, Indian,
South-Asian or African. China - with all its
original roots - is also relatively close to Europe.
Turks and Iranians are even closer.
> Here are my English poems - for your judgement:
>> This is more fun. Do you see how in one swoop..poetry
replaces the
> > conceptual politics of experience?
> >
> > Can you see color? when I answer in text? ....scroll down....
> >
---- I have my own browser, designed by myself.
Israeli Zionists are often sending me computer
viruses and letters with threats. My own browser
gives more protection. However, I convert your
letters into jpg files, and then I can see them in
their original shape. I am sending you one of such
a jpg files (in a new "envelope"), which looks as
an ancient script.
Leon (Lev) GUNIN
>
> small piggy-bank
>
> it's desperately bright
> shadows are like pyramids
>
.................
> I liked this one, Leon (Lev)
>
> Now. I dare you, Silver Dollar Daddy,
> To call ...your legal and illegal, spouse:
>
Dearest
> Drop Slot.
>
> Grins.
---- This is a postmodernism poetry,
with its very special aesthetics and
atmosphere. Poets are always outlaw
people, who violate all square traditions
and mentalities. In this poem the
anthropomorphism, this figure of speech,
in combination of comprehensive
metaphors, creates a "fresh and original
view" (as my friends said). I feel that our
styles are very similar, if you'll analyse
your letters and my poetry. My epistolary
style is different.
Leon (Lev) GUNIN
OBLITERATION
> this powerful crescendo of the night storm
> this magic of drops in nowhere
> only you must know something about it
> you THE ONE
> the oblitier
..............................
> Yes.
> No more boredom, or bored dumb,
>
> Leon the Leveler! Nowhere is Now Here!
>
------ I agree. After now no more
words about politics. If we could
find each other, which is such a
rare opportunity: two creative
persons, with such a poetical
approach, - let's not waste time.
=============
=============
> I began this painting for the "brother of my heart". Although
I had not
> seen him for awhile, I rather took for granted his physical presence
in my
> life. I always thought in dotage we would catch up on the betweens.
>
> The last time I saw him he asked me if I was happy. I answered that
being
> happy is always too easy to remember, after the fact, and that
it is life's
> plateaus I am now trying to cultivate and harvest.
>
> He called me shortly after I began the painting in order to tell me
of his
> fatal diagnosis and later he would call to tell me that he was not afraid
to
> die. I worked like a Toltec, but when near completion I became superstitious
> and would not finish it.
>
> He passed one week later, just before his birthday and just before I
could
> show it to him.
> It is called "deeply rooted".
=======================
---- I treat this short fragment of your letter
as an independent work of art - both literary
and visual arts. You can publish it on Internet
or as a small book, and this will become an
event in the conceptualists' world.
Conceptualism is dying now, and you could
animate its dying body. I believe that if you'll
concentrate on literature (prose, not poetry),
you'll become one of the most talented and
comprehensive writers.
==============================
Yours,
Leon
------------
==================================
====== Alice in Wonderland: =====
> ---- I have my own browser, designed by myself.
> Israeli Zionists are often sending me computer
> viruses and letters with threats.
Exactly.
One would think that they would be ashamed of themselves.
Bullies and Thuggies.
I create an image of removing each one from their respective computers by
their ear chastising and browbeating in hologram image of their own mothers
with each mother's most angry tone: berating and belittling them for such
behavior.
And then I would take a dollar from them for every ill used word and have
them
personally give it away to strangers, until either there are no more words
or no
more money, which ever comes first.
Signed,
The Wise and Solomeanie SolomAlice in Wonderland
I was recently placed in the postion where I came upon some very interesting
but
disturbing spam and messaging..which could have also been... a "set up" for
me.
I traded most of my privacy off for what I believed was my standard.
I hope any or many of those snooping see my erotic stories, pictures of nekkid
cowboys AND my feelings politically. I WISH any or ALL of those crashing
through
my Firewall WOULD pay attention to my politick! Geesh.
I also get alot of malicious spam..but that happened working for Yellow Times
just
before Bush's War as well.
Sigh.
Soigh. (that's an accent)
Also if I write: n'est-ce pas?
that is an affectation and means,
roight? right?!
My own browser
> gives more protection. However, I convert your
> letters into jpg files, and then I can see them in
> their original shape. I am sending you one of such
> a jpg files (in a new "envelope"), which looks as
> an ancient script.
>
> ---- This is a postmodernism poetry,
> with its very special aesthetics and
> atmosphere. Poets are always outlaw
> people, who violate all square traditions
> and mentalities. In this poem the
> anthropomorphism, this figure of speech,
> in combination of comprehensive
> metaphors, creates a fresh and original
> view (I believe). I feel that our styles
> are very similar, if you'll analyse your
> letters and my poetry. My epistolary
> style is different.
Alice in Wonderland: Yes, indeedy.
> ------ I agree. After now no more
> words about politics. If we could
> find each other, which is such a
> rare opportunity: two creative
> persons, with such a poetical
> approach, - let's not waste time.
Just to be Alice in Wonderland Queen of Contrary
I opt for having my politick and eating it too.
Small morsels or great gobbles
Quite unlike the Unfortunate Marie (from Austria)
I offer not only cake but whatever poetick is to be
breadstick or sticky bun...
however I would also like to discuss comparisons
sweat shops servants and slaves of the green card
> ---- I treat this short fragment of your letter
> as an independent work of art - both literary
> and visual arts. You can publish it on Internet
> or as a small book, and this will become an
> event in the conceptualists' world.
> Conceptualism is dying now, and you could
> animate its dying body.
Truly Ghouly,
M
PS Inequality IS in Talmud/Qu'ran, by its very exclusion...etc...
I feel at the very least and Summa Theologica aside, with Catholica, at least
I
became aquainted with the Cult of Alice in Wonderland (Virgin)
And I have sweet memories as a school child in Spring making procession with
flower offerings and singing songs: O Alice in Wonderland We Hail Thee..with
blossoms today!
Queen of the Angels... Queen of the May (that's a song)
I believe that if you'll
A Riddle:
I am not obscure.
Though I live in obscurity.
I share quicksilver moments
with Shape Changers.
Magicians use me.
Diviners abuse me.
I am polished.
I am faithful representation.
I reflect:
conglomeration precludes
amalgamation.
We meet
symmetric
point-to-point.
Who am I?
M.
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===== Alice in Wonderland: ======
Hi. I'm writing about the O.P. (Original People) who are also called o. p.
(occupied people)
I ummm should have been cleaning my house HAH for Big Dinner /Feast on
Sunday..which is my "thanks given"..but today is my only day off and my wake
call was delaid. I was delaid. Willingly delaid.
But now I am further delayed and not Finnish.
I am More Rushin than YOU might think.
soon I shall look at this
till then
later
PS Can I trust your attachment?
Are you viral? or just virile?
PPS I hope my little computer can do it. (open a zip) I work at home on a
used office computer that someone gave to me out of the goodness of their
heart.
I has windows 95!!!and now only a bootleg version of '98.
It is called a "Micron" I believe that it must flabbergast those who would
try to enter and rape it because it is such "old technology" . Hardee HARRR
I say gleefully.
Hey that is a "good" poetical idea about nasty computer hackers! ..intrusive
behavior and then rape!..feel free to run with the idea..i believe in
creative fractals that lead to mutual inspirational orgasms..creative
projects, n'est-ce pas? ok let me get back ..to the future..
m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L. G." <leog@total.net>
To: < >
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: Part One Over and under: Re: ===== My Reply and Thoughts --
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> See my response as an attachment:
> my mailing program can not carry
> huge texts in the window.
> Yours,
> Leon
==============================
====== Alice in Wonderland: ======
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====== Alice in Wonderland-Mutter: ====
By forwarding this I lost the background!
Wah! O well it was only a draft anyway and the words kept changing I remember.
Like:
"Why do you have to bring all this peace crap home with you"
then someone else didn't like "crap" in connection with "peace" etc...
I got sooo punished for this toonie!
~Fundamentally Free~
http://www.
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From: Alice in Wonderland
To: leog@total.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:34 PM
Subject: The draft of the toon that caused furor
baloney on wry
~Pagans Have Rites Too~
http://www.
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===== Leon's Response: ====
See my response as an attachment:
my mailing program can not carry
huge texts in the window.
Yours,
Leon
[[ Dear Alice in Wonderland!
You have completely overmastered me by your
smart and expressive letters. Besides, I have now
a chance to pick up some stylistic stamps, which
people in your sub-cultural environment use.
Besides, you are an American-raised person.
And my correspondents in NY - musicians like me -
all were immigrants (Italian, South American, etc.).
You wrote:
> Quick note:
> I am at the children's room at the library (where literature is really
> still happenin' !)
------- I agree with your smart remark.
You know, this reminds me about my
situation. I can not use libraries, because
I have no citizenship, and after Israeli
assault on America (911) restrictions and
repression have been imposed everywhere,
including libraries.
> First off..I am not angry...
> lol = "laughing out loud"
> Also ..because of my "left hand" situation..and because of bad situation
> when I was a baby..I am slightly dyslexic..and so I make up words and
play
> with words and am a poet with words as such.
>
> In between living in New Orleans and moving back to nyc when I was a
> baby..i stopped speaking all together. At night, however, I would often
sit
> up in bed and speak from my sleep in a strange gibberish that my now
> elderly aunt said sounded like either gaelic or hebrew! (perhaps
it was
> even arabic!)
----- .... or marsian
> I have a sardonic AND silly sense of humor. I laugh first at myself..but
be
> careful if you are standing next to me!
----- your sense of humour is amazing
> I "play" with words.
>
> "fret nyet" = do not fret.."don't worry about it" etc...
> It is not in any dictionary.
> Always ask.
------ First of all, it is smart, and sometimes
somehow relates to Esperanto.
> Also when I am angry about something I shall always tell you or anyone
> almost immediately if not in pre recognition. If you are a man..I shall
> probably have to tell you over and over again..Laughs, as is my custom
and
> experience of Big Galouks.
>
> Big Galouk = The Man
------ I see...
> Hah. I would call you up in the middle of the night and tell you if
I
> thought I left something out..I would sky write it from an airplane...I
> would make up a song about it and sing it and even get others to be
a chorus
------ OK, go on, call me: (514) ............
However, I prefer letters' exchange. I am afraid
of my heavy Slavic accent (I speak Polish with
Russian accent and Russian with Polish). Another
day, when you speak to me, and hear no accent
at all (or a very slight accent) you'll suspect me
of trickery. It is because I can not switch between
languages quickly. If you call me after my German
or French, or Polish conversation, I have difficulties
to speak (for example) English, or Belorussian.
> BUT..If I am really angry; I apply my grandmother's principle: "never
let
> the sun go down on your anger"..in other words..express it and get over
it..
----- This is a good principle. I mean -
one of some good options.
------ and again - I like your metaphors.
You are able to play with all these subtle
nuances - and always sound adequate.
That's a gift.
> I am..a wee bit "touched" you know..sometimes by the devil and sometimes
by
> the angel...
----- ... as every one .... we are people... you know
add to it I am a bit "ditsy" but then just when you think I am
> beyond comprehension...I surprise everyone. I am the type that can tell
you
> the answer to the long algebraic problem but I can not tell you how
I
> arrived at a "conclusion".
----- ..... now you've perfectly described
my own nature.... strange and funny
> An astrologer once said the real redeeming factor about my chart was
that I
> was born a woman into THIS century.
----- don't listen to astrologers - they
know only half of the truth. And this
is worse then a lie.
> I have a strange kind of "luck" as well. I would not call it lucky to,
say
> slip and fall in mud..but I am the type that will come up all muddy
holding
> a dollar! Hah..Do you understand? Good fortune would be never falling...in
> the first place!
----- we are often misled in our
understanding - what's good
fortune. I've understood this
too late, myself. I've been always
terrorised by fear of poverty,
homelessness, prison or terminal
illness. Now I don't afraid of
anything, and things have changed
rapidly. I am able to earn up to 50-
70 dollars per hour. And I have
chosen not to work more then
3-4 hours a week: to save time for
music and literature. This is MY
fortune: creativity and literature /
music.
> ----- I got your point about American democracy.
>
> ****>And American "occupation" of a culture? a culture that was not
> "savage" but had a society.
> Look what the Europeans did to the ancient South Americans..my mothers
> tribe..Aztec and Inca..
----- You mean Spanish, Portuguese,
Dutch, British and Jews? If you take
French - they are not responsible so
much for this bloody genocide. Don't
forget that the Spanish were fathers of
inquisition. And don't forget about hidden
Jewish connection: slavery trade and gold
search were mostly owned by Jews. Behind
Spanish genocide in America stayed Jewish
economic interests. And also remember that
there are some European nations, which
never committed bloody war crimes: Poles,
Lithuanians, Belorusians.... What Spanish,
British and Portuguese did to Aztec and Inca
the Aztec and Inca did to "lower" tribes, and
they also were known for their human sacrifices
for their Gods.
> These were highly developed civilizations that had advanced science
and
> medicine while those that came from Europe did not know even to take
a bath!
> But they had "gunpowder" and in the name of Jesus they burned the soles
of
> the feet of the priests and elders looking for "gold" ....
----- If you making a parallel to American
global expansion, this comparison is correct.
Modern Europeans, experienced wars,
genocides and brutal regimes, are not the
same Europeans, who have destroyed
ancient American civilisations. They are
much more "civilised", educated, skilled
and culturally advanced then modern
Americans. USA is dying. American
culture was always behind European culture,
but it was a version of European culture,
and not a very bad version, with its own
interesting traditions and achievements.
NOW it is degrading. And this happens
not because of President Bush or someone
else. This is because of Israeli expansion
in America.
> And I've noticed repercussions of a marvelous
> book - "Bruto Chao" (which was probably
> translated into English (?) : I have it in its original
> Italian) in your observation.
> *****>I shall have to look for this. I can read a little italiano..but
do
> not speak well. I have a good ear for music but not for language..I
listen
> to language like it is "music"..and some are more musical than others..
----- I don't speak fluent Italian, too.
> > See how I digress? it was the same with the reply...
> ------ Sorry, your parallel //with the reply//
> have escaped my understanding of your logic.
> Or (if I guess correctly) it may be figured out
> by reading your text below. I must confess
> that I never look in the end of the letter :
> I always read line by line. It is one of my
> principles.
>
> ******>then you may have a Merry Alice in Wonderland chase with me!
forwards and
> backwards!
----- ...
> However, you've already amazed me by
> your rich metaphors and the combination
> of the graphic expression of your text, your
> illustrations (design) - and alltogether. I was
> thinking: wow! what a sweet, what an elegant
> person! I am glad that the knowledge of
> English and other languages gives me an
> opportunity to communicate with the most
> descent people - and understand them even
> when they express themselves through the
> most advanced literary style.
> Thank you.
> I "see" in YOU someone who desires to express themselves... in all
> languages! and someone who has alot to express..including the darker
side
> of your experiences.
> You must tell me when I am not meant to be..flippant or when it is not
> appropriate.
----- OK. I'll always tell.
> I try to be "careful" of feelings, etc..sensitivities....especially
if it
> is cultural. Most Americans..New Yorkers..especially are a great meld.
> What culture shocks and tidal waves I see in my community!
----- For me, NY and Boston, and New Orleans -
don't represent USA. They are almost like Canada.
A "true" USA - this is Arizona, California, South
Dakota, Alabama, Texas, South Carolina, etc. You
know, New Yorkers are too sensitive, too divers
and too intelligent for United States. Not all of them,
but a big part.
> I live somewhat close to nyc and so there is much diversity..and it
is
> really interesting to see old cultures adapt while clinging to old ways,
> etc..
----- agree....
> My big regret is not speaking spanish..but I hope to change that one
day.
> Until that time I shall "play" with English as much as I can.
----- Me too. I regret I don't speak Spanish.
One of my 2 best friends - Miguel Lamiel -
is Spanish. He's a great writer. Much higher
then Jack Kerouac and other American writers.
If you want, I can send you an electronic version
of his "Mercurial Doll", a novel.
> I shall answer the rest of this at lunch or later..ok?
> Levleon
>
----- Sure.
And I'll try to answer your other e-mails below:
============
Alice in Wonderland wrote:
> > ---- I have my own browser, designed by myself.
> > Israeli Zionists are often sending me computer
> > viruses and letters with threats.
> Exactly.
> One would think that they would be ashamed of themselves.
> Bullies and Thuggies.
> I create an image of removing each one from their respective computers
> by their ear
> chastising and browbeating in hologram image of their own mothers
> with each mother's most angry tone: berating and belittling them for
> such behavior.
> And then I would take a dollar from them for every ill used word and
> have them personally give it away to strangers, until either there are
> no more words or no more money, which ever comes first.
------ An absolutely striking scene! And
you are so self-effacing about your sense
of humour! If you've sent an illustration,
an image representing this short novella,
then I did not receive it.
> Signed,
> The Wise and Solomeanie SolomAlice in Wonderland
------ TERRRR-IFFFIC!
> I was recently placed in the postion where I came upon some very
> interesting but disturbing spam and messaging..which could have also
> been... a "set up" for me.
> I traded most of my privacy off for what I believed was my standard.
------ It is hard to understand, what happened exactly.
If you'll have time, describe this in details.
> I hope any or many of those snooping see my erotic stories, pictures
> of nekkid cowboys AND my feelings politically. I WISH any or ALL of
> those crashing through my Firewall WOULD pay attention to my politick!
> Geesh.
----- You mean erotic stories, written by you,
which you keep on your hard drive? And "nekkid"
cowboys, kept in the same plas?
> I also get alot of malicious spam..but that happened working for
> Yellow Times just before Bush's War as well.
> Sigh.
> Soigh. (that's an accent)
> Also if I write: n'est-ce pas?
> that is an affectation
and means, roight? right?!
----- a very precise translation:
"isn't it so?" Did you pick up
some French in New Orleans?
n'est-ce pas?
> Just to be Alice in Wonderland Queen of Contrary
> I opt for having my politick and eating it too.
> Small morsels or great gobbles
> Quite unlike the Unfortunate Marie (from Austria)
> I offer not only cake but whatever poetick is to be
> breadstick or sticky bun...
----- I like this approach. It has a texture.
> however I would also like to discuss comparisons
> sweat shops servants and slaves of the green card
----- This is a very American expression.
Many people outside USA simply don't
know what is the green card. Americans
think that every one in the world must
know their expressions and idioms, their
immigration attributes and laws, and that
simply isn't true. Or a sweat shop. I must
be stone-headed - but I didn't catch the sense
you meant here. There is more. You don't
understand that immigrants to United States
become voluntarily objects of extreme
exploitation and abuses not because (according
to your, Americans', views) they trade their
dignity, their rights and culture in exchange
for American Green Card and economic
prosperity), but because they escape genocides,
civil wars and death in their native countries.
Otherwise they would choose between American
"democracy" (my friends calling it "lucrativacy") -
and their dignity and cultural self-identification in
a very different way.
> > ---- I treat this short fragment of your letter
> > as an independent work of art - both literary
> > and visual arts. You can publish it on Internet
> > or as a small book, and this will become an
> > event in the conceptualists' world.
> > Conceptualism is dying now, and you could
> > animate its dying body.
>
> Truly Ghouly,
> M
------ Well... I hope it was a micro-verse (Truly Ghouly)
in Kippling's style.
==============================
> A Riddle:
>
> I am not obscure.
> Though I live in obscurity.
> I share quicksilver moments
> with Shape Changers.
> Magicians use me.
> Diviners abuse me.
> I am polished.
> I am faithful representation.
> I reflect:
> conglomeration precludes
> amalgamation.
> We meet
> symmetric
> point-to-point.
> Who am I?
>
>
> M.
------ I like this more. And I think that this
verse is very NY's. However, your prose is
still better. Your small poem has reflected
all the bad sides of the "beat" ("beatniks")
poetry. Even its Israeli semantic "epidermis"
irritates me.... Regardless, it's better. Much
better. And – still – not quite poetry. Can
you send me some of your stories, please?
My e-mailing program is destroying your drawings.
I apologise for it. Next time, please, send my your images
in the attachment, better - zipped. (I know that it gives a
great opportunity for a calambour (clinch)
Yours,
Leon
====================
==== Alice in Wonderland: ====
I suppose you missed this as well
I can't see what I am sending if I don't embed it which is why I got "outlook
express"
====================
====== Alice in Wonderland: =====
*I like slang and made up words .
*I like having fun with language..like the australians do to english...
==== Leon: ====
Dear Alice in Wonderland!
You have completely overmastered me by your
smart and expressive letters. Besides, I have now
a chance to pick up some stylistic stamps, which
young (you must be not older then 30) people
in your sub-cultural environment use. Besides,
you are an American-raised person. And my
correspondents in NY - musicians like me -
all were immigrants (Italian, South American,
etc.).
I agree with your smart remark.
You know, this reminds me about my
situation. I can not use libraries, because
I have no citizenship, and after Israeli
assault on America (911) restrictions and
repression have been imposed everywhere,
including libraries.
*Many people in this country and in my library system do not have citizenship.
You
don't need *citizenship to use the library or have a library card. In order
to get
a *library card you need proof of *current address, not citizenship.
*So you can't see this color? how about if I change font to this?
----- .... or marsian
*You mean Marzipan of course!
----- your sense of humour is amazing
*Humor is a Blessing. I once wrote poor Vanunu that he must practice his
laugh.
*He is one person who probably dislikes Izzies more than you! Imagine being
in
Israeli prison for 17 1/2 years. More than half in solitary.
Izzies = Israelis
Pals = Palestinians
------ First of all, it is smart, and
this is somehow relates to Esperanto.
i'vrbrrb
------ I see...
> Hah. I would call you up in the middle of the night and tell you if
I
> thought I left something out..I would sky write it from an airplane...I
> would make up a song about it and sing it and even get others to be
a chorus
*I was making joke as in...there is little that would hold me back from telling
you 1. I am angry 2. what *i am angry about
*Men are often "clueless" about what is obvious in a woman's anger.
------ OK, go on, call me: (514) 499-1294.
However, I prefer letters' exchange. I am afraid
of my heavy Slavic accent (I speak Polish with
Russian accent and Russian with Polish). Another
day, when you speak to me, and hear no accent
at all (or a very slight accent) you'll suspect me
of trickery. It is because I can not switch between
languages quickly. If you call me after my German
or French, or Polish conversation, I have difficulties
to speak English or Belorussian.
*Wowzers. That must be tricky.
What a great spy you would make.
I am amazed by fluency when I am so tongue-tied
What language do you dream in ?
Or is you were to talk in your sleep? what would you sound like? Polish?
Russian?
Do you speak Yiddish? or Hebrew? as well?
How many languages do you speak?
You write very well in English and do not seem to have any problem expressing
yourself.
----- don't listen to astrologers - they
know only half of the truth. And this
is worse then a lie.
I am surrounded by astrologers. Even Tibetan.
> I have a strange kind of "luck" as well. I would not call it lucky to,
say
> slip and fall in mud..but I am the type that will come up all muddy
holding
> a dollar! Hah..Do you understand? Good fortune would be never falling...in
> the first place!
I was talking more about synchronicity and having good luck
----- we are often misled in our
understanding - what's good
fortune. I've understood this
too late, myself. I've been always
terrorised by fear of poverty,
homelessness, prison or terminal
illness. Now I don't afraid of
anything, and things have changed
rapidly. I am able to earn up to 50-
70 dollars per hour. And I have
chosen not to work more then
3-4 hours a week: to save time for
music and literature. This is MY
fortune: creativity and literature /
music.
> ----- I got your point about American democracy.
You are a musician? I was once a singer and performer when I was younger.
I sang in musicals and I studied opera. My voice is abused so now I croak.
But I was recently at a labyrinth and participated in a harmonic concordance.
I rather like that..coming together and producing sounds with all the different
folk..
Do you play an instrument? Tell me what kind please.
I knew a raving anti-Israeli American jazz percussionist.
One day he became too hate-hate-hate FULL and I told him, "Enough!
Already!" and
he got very annoyed and we are no longer friends even though on the same
side.
C'est dommage
He was a wonderful musician and I hope he is lending his tradition to some
kids...
Cubano-Latino-Orisha
> ****>And American "occupation" of a culture? a culture that was not
> "savage" but had a society.
> Look what the Europeans did to the ancient South Americans..my mothers
> tribe..Aztec and Inca..
*I am writing an article about the French and Spanish and British and Dutch
and
their cruelty to the O.P.
O.P. = Original People
----- You mean Spanish, Portuguese,
Dutch, British and Jews? If you take
French - they are not responsible so
much for this bloody genocide. Don't
forget that the Spanish were fathers of
inquisition. And don't forget about hidden
Jewish connection: slavery trade and gold
search were mostly owned by Jews. Behind
Spanish genocide in America stayed Jewish
economic interests. And also remember that
there are some European nations, which
never committed bloody war crimes: Poles,
Lithuanians, Belorusians.... What Spanish,
British and Portuguese did to Aztec and Inca
the Aztec and Inca did to "lower" tribes, and
they also were known for their human sacrifices
for their Gods.
*Higher up ....in the Colonies now USA.
I shall show you my research when I am done. If I am done.
I am too distracted with trying to clean up 4 rooms ..for company.
----- If you making a parallel to American
global expansion, this comparison is correct.
Modern Europeans, experienced wars,
genocides and brutal regimes, are not the
same Europeans, who have destroyed
ancient American civilisations.
Now it is degrading. And this happens
not because of President Bush or someone
else. This is because of Israeli expansion
in America.
*We took the example of the more dominant European.
I will discuss this more ..later and/or show you the article .....if it gets
better
----- You know, New Yorkers are
too sensitive, too divers and too intelligent for
United States. Not all of them, but a big part.
New Yorkers..sensitive? harrrrrrrrrr
You gotta be kiddin
----- Me too. I regret I don't speak Spanish.
One of my 2 best friends - Miguel Lamiel -
*Nice Name.
He's a great writer. Much higher
then Jack Kerouac and other American writers.
If you want, I can send you an electronic version
of his "Mercurial Doll", a novel.
> I shall answer the rest of this at lunch or later..ok?
> Levleon
----- Sure.
And I'll try to answer your other e-mails below:
============
Alice in Wonderland wrote:
> > ---- I have my own browser, designed by myself.
> > Israeli Zionists are often sending me computer
> > viruses and letters with threats.
> Exactly.
> One would think that they would be ashamed of themselves.
> Bullies and Thuggies.
> I create an image of removing each one from their respective computers
> by their ear
> chastising and browbeating in hologram image of their own mothers
> with each mother's most angry tone: berating and belittling them for
> such behavior.
> And then I would take a dollar from them for every ill used word and
> have them personally give it away to strangers, until either there are
> no more words or no more money, which ever comes first.
------ An absolutely striking scene! And
you are so self-effacing about your sense
of humour! If you've sent an illustration,
an image representing this short novella,
then I did not receive it.
> Signed,
> The Wise and Solomeanie SolomAlice in Wonderland
------ TERRRR IFFFIC!
> I was recently placed in the postion where I came upon some very
> interesting but disturbing spam and messaging..which could have also
> been... a "set up" for me.
> I traded most of my privacy off for what I believed was my standard.
------ It is hard to understand, what happened.
If you'll have time, describe this in details.
*It was "out of a story" ..a tall tale! absurd and bizarre in discovery
but
so...fraught with devious possibility. It was another synchronous moment
because
it was a fluke i saw it when I did.
*Remind me sometime to send some to you and you will see hidden in the html
codes
quotes from English literature. L'idiots took obscure quotes from googled
and
ranked websites. They were so smart in their computing but ....forget not
to show
off too much and become trackable.
> I hope any or many of those snooping see my erotic stories, pictures
> of nekkid cowboys AND my feelings politically. I WISH any or ALL of
> those crashing through my Firewall WOULD pay attention to my politick!
> Geesh.
----- You mean erotic stories, written by you,
which you keep on your hard drive? And "nekkid"
cowboys, kept in the same plas?
*I keep lots of snippets and stories on the computer..hard to determine what
is
real and what is a dream. As for nekkid cowboys ...I have a group of writer
friends...my immediate boss at work..who is part of a writing group that
writes
all male gay erotica. The women write better. The men write "grunt
grunt" So. Her
freinds write sci fi fantasy and also about cowboys. Yippee-I-Oh
*I write about fetish behavior and men.
> I also get alot of malicious spam..but that happened working for
> Yellow Times just before Bush's War as well.
> Sigh.
> Soigh. (that's an accent)
> Also if I write: n'est-ce pas?
> that is an affectation and means, roight? right?!
----- a very precise translation:
"isn't it so?" Did you pick up
some French in New Orleans?
n'est-ce pas?
*I was 2 1/2 years at the time. All I "picked" up was....rickets and trench
mouth
from eating dirt.
> > ----
Poets are always outlaw
> > people, who violate all square traditions
> > and mentalities. In this poem the
> > anthropomorphism, this figure of speech,
> > in combination of comprehensive
> > metaphors, creates a
*I knew motorcycle outlaws. Triumphs . Ducatis. BSA's . Harleys. Moto Guzzi
> Yes, indeedy.
> Just to be Alice in Wonderland Queen of Contrary
> I opt for having my politick and eating it too.
> Small morsels or great gobbles
> Quite unlike the Unfortunate Marie (from Austria)
> I offer not only cake but whatever poetick is to be
> breadstick or sticky bun...
----- I like this approach. It
has a texture.
> however I would also like to discuss comparisons
> sweat shops servants and slaves of the green card
-----
----- This is a very American expression.
Many people outside USA simply don't
know what is the green card. Americans
think that every one in the world must
know their expressions and idioms, their
immigration attributes and laws, and that
simply isn't true. Or a sweat shop. I must
be stone-headed - but I didn't catch the sense
you meant here. There is more. You don't
understand that immigrants to United States
become voluntarily objects of extreme
exploitation and abuses not because (according
to your, Americans', views) they trade their
dignity, their rights and culture in exchange
for American Green Card and economic
prosperity), but because they escape genocides,
civil wars and death in their native countries.
Otherwise they would choose between American
"democracy" (my friends calling it "lucrativacy") -
and their dignity and cultural self-identification in
a very different way.
*I meant ..to know what happens to the immigrant and those that must work
at
slave's wages, etc...A sweat shop is where one is forced to work either without
education or the proper papers at bad wages for long hours.
Signed,
Mev or as the Irish would say Maeve
> > ---- I treat this short fragment of your letter
> > as an independent work of art - both literary
> > and visual arts. You can publish it on Internet
> > or as a small book, and this will become an
> > event in the conceptualists' world.
> > Conceptualism is dying now, and you could
> > animate its dying body.
> Truly Ghouly,
> M
------ Well... I hope it was a micro-verse (Truly Ghouly)
in Kippling's style.
Alice in Wonderland Shelley
> > ==============================
> A Riddle:
(.............)
> point-to-point.
> Who am I?
> M.
------
Can you send me some of your
stories, please?
My mailing program has
destroyed your pictures:
Subject:
The draft of the toon that caused furor
Date:
Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:34:23 -0500
From:
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To: leog@total.net
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great opportunity for a calambour (clinch)
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====== Alice in Wonderland: =====
*I like slang and made up words .
*I like having fun with language..like the australians do to english...
------- I agree with your smart remark.
You know, this reminds me about my
situation. I can not use libraries, because
I have no citizenship, and after Israeli
assault on America (911) restrictions and
repression have been imposed everywhere,
including libraries.
*Many people in this country and in my library system do not have citizenship.
You
don't need *citizenship to use the library or have a library card. In order
to get
a *library card you need proof of *current address, not citizenship.
*So you can't see this color? how about if I change font to this?
----- .... or marsian
*You mean Marzipan of course!
----- your sense of humour is amazing
*Humor is a Blessing. I once wrote poor Vanunu that he must practice his
laugh.
*He is one person who probably dislikes Izzies more than you! Imagine being
in
Israeli prison for 17 1/2 years. More than half in solitary.
Izzies = Israelis
Pals = Palestinians
------ First of all, it is smart, and
this is somehow relates to Esperanto.
i'vrbrrb
------ ..........
> Hah. I would call you up in the middle of the night and tell you if
I
> thought I left something out..I would sky write it from an airplane...I
> would make up a song about it and sing it and even get others to be
a chorus
*I was making joke as in...there is little that would hold me back
from telling
you 1. I am angry 2. what *i am angry about
*Men are often "clueless" about what is obvious in a woman's anger.
------ OK, go on, call me: (514) ..............
However, I prefer letters' exchange. I am afraid
of my heavy
---------
...........................
*Wowzers. That must be tricky.
What a great spy you would make.
I am amazed by fluency when I am so tongue-tied
What language do you dream in ?
Or is you were to talk in your sleep? what would you sound like? Polish?
Russian?
Do you speak Yiddish? or Hebrew? as well?
How many languages do you speak?
You write very well in English and do not seem to have any problem expressing
yourself.
----- don't listen to astrologers - they
know only half of the truth. And this
is worse then a lie.
I am surrounded by astrologers. Even Tibetan.
> I have a strange kind of "luck" as well. I would not call it lucky to,
say
> slip and fall in mud..but I am the type that will come up all muddy
holding
> a dollar! Hah..Do you understand? Good fortune would be never falling...in
> the first place!
I was talking more about synchronicity and having good luck
----- we are often misled in our
understanding - what's good
fortune. I've understood this
too late, myself. I've been always
terrorised by fear of poverty,
homelessness, prison or terminal
illness. Now I don't afraid of
anything, and things have changed
rapidly. I am able to earn up to 50-
70 dollars per hour. And I have
chosen not to work more then
3-4 hours a week: to save time for
music and literature. This is MY
fortune: creativity and literature /
music.
> ----- I got your point about American democracy.
You are a musician? I was once a singer and performer when I was younger.
I sang in musicals and I studied opera. My voice is abused so now I croak.
But I was recently at a labyrinth and participated in a harmonic concordance.
I rather like that..coming together and producing sounds with all the different
folk..
Do you play an instrument? Tell me what kind please.
I knew a raving anti-Israeli American jazz percussionist.
One day he became too hate-hate-hate FULL and I told him, "Enough!
Already!" and
he got very annoyed and we are no longer friends even though on the same
side.
C'est dommage
He was a wonderful musician and I hope he is lending his tradition to some
kids...
Cubano-Latino-Orisha
> ****>And American "occupation" of a culture? a culture that was not
> "savage" but had a society.
> Look what the Europeans did to the ancient South Americans..my mothers
> tribe..Aztec and Inca..
*I am writing an article about the French and Spanish and British and Dutch
and
their cruelty to the O.P.
O.P. = Original People
----- You mean Spanish, Portuguese,
Dutch, British and Jews?
..............................
What Spanish,
British and Portuguese did to Aztec and Inca
the Aztec and Inca did to "lower" tribes, and
they also were known for their human sacrifices
for their Gods.
*Higher up ....in the Colonies now USA.
I shall show you my research when I am done. If I am done.
I am too distracted with trying to clean up 4 rooms ..for company.
-----
Modern Europeans, experienced wars,
genocides and brutal regimes, are not the
same Europeans, who have destroyed
ancient American civilisations. They are
much more "civilised", educated, skilled
and culturally advanced
........................
This is because of Israeli expansion
in America.
*We took the example of the more dominant European.
I will discuss this more ..later and/or show you the article .....if it gets
better
============
Alice in Wonderland wrote:
> > ---- I have my own browser, designed by myself.
> > Israeli Zionists are often sending me computer
> > viruses and letters with threats.
------ It is hard to understand, what happened.
If you'll have time, describe this in details.
*It was "out of a story" ..a tall tale! absurd and bizarre in discovery but
so...fraught with devious possibility. It was another synchronous moment
because
it was a fluke i saw it when I did.
*Remind me sometime to send some to you and you will see hidden in the html
codes
quotes from English literature. L'idiots took obscure quotes from googled
and
ranked websites. They were so smart in their computing but ....forget not
to show
off too much and become trackable.
----- You mean erotic stories, written by you,
which you keep on your hard drive? And "nekkid"
cowboys, kept in the same plas?
*I keep lots of snippets and stories on the computer..hard to determine what
is
real and what is a dream. As for nekkid cowboys ...I have a group of writer
friends...my immediate boss at work..who is part of a writing group that
writes
all male gay erotica. The women write better. The men write "grunt
grunt" So. Her
freinds write sci fi fantasy and also about cowboys. Yippee-I-Oh
*I write about fetish behavior and men.
> I also get alot of malicious spam..but that happened working for
> Yellow Times just before Bush's War as well.
> Sigh.
> Soigh. (that's an accent)
> Also if I write: n'est-ce pas?
> that is an affectation and means, roight? right?!
----- a very precise translation:
"isn't it so?" Did you pick up
some French in New Orleans?
n'est-ce pas?
*I was 2 1/2 years at the time. All I "picked" up was....rickets and trench
mouth
from eating dirt.
> however I would also like to discuss comparisons
> sweat shops servants and slaves of the green card
----- This is a very American expression.
..................................
*I meant ..to know what happens to the immigrant and those that must work
at
slave's wages, etc...A sweat shop is where one is forced to work either without
education or the proper papers at bad wages for long hours .
Signed,
Mev or as the Irish would say Maeve
> > ---- I treat this short fragment of your letter
> > as an independent work of art - both literary
> > and visual arts. You can publish it on Internet
> > or as a small book, and this will become an
> > event in the conceptualists' world.
> > Conceptualism is dying now, and you could
> > animate its dying body.
> Truly Ghouly,
> M
> PS Inequality IS in Talmud/Qu'ran, by its very exclusion...etc...
> I feel at the very least and Summa Theologica aside, with Catholica,
> at least I became aquainted with the Cult of Alice in Wonderland (Virgin)
> And I have sweet memories as a school child in Spring making
> procession with flower offerings and singing songs: O Alice in Wonderland
We Hail
> Thee..with blossoms today! Queen of the Angels... Queen of the May
> (that's a song)
==============================
=================
======= Alice in Wonderland: =====
Fret Nyet.
I have been cleaning and cooking and in preparation of A Great Feast which
was yesterday...and writing in between. Also trying to fix my house a bit,
paint, repair, etc..winterize.
Never make an answer a chore.
S'more light and fun to contrast the dark.
M.
This is a perfect example of "fret nyet"
Original Message:
-----------------
From: L. G. leog@total.net
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:58:17 -0800
To:
Subject: Re: Mev Maeve
DEAR Alice in Wonderland!
I'll try to respond to all your last e-mails;
however, I don't have much time, so, I
apologise that my answer won't be in
details. Sorry for that.
============================
Subject:
Re: Part One Over and under: Re: ===== My Reply and
Thoughts -- 3
Date:
Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:29:37 -0500
From:
Alice in Wonderland
To:
leog@total.net
Hi. I'm writing about the O.P. (Original People) who are also called o.
p. (occupied people)
------- MY QUESTION: what semantic or logical
connotation is between "original" and "occupied"?
I see only so called by me abbreviation's skeleton,
which is similar. Nothing more.
(BUT: I hate a formula --- "original=native")
I ummm should have been cleaning my house HAH for Big Dinner /Feast on
Sunday.
--------- Please, forgive me this question, but what is HAH?
"which is my "thanks given"..but today is my only day off and my wake
call was delaid. I was delaid. Willingly delaid.
But now I am further delayed and not Finnish.
I am More Rushin than YOU might think.
soon I shall look at this
till then
later
------- I like this fragment for its
stereoscopic mutations-replacements
and pseudo-contra-synonyms. Rushing
may be not only Russian, but also
Rush In, and Finnish has 7 different
options. Bravo!
PS Can I trust your attachment?
Are you viral? or just virile?
------- Even if you have been joking,
even then you should not mention that
"trust". Because the trust is working in
both sides, visa versa. If - theoretically
(I don't mean that you're thinking so) -
U can expect MI (sol, la) sending U
why-RUSES, then ai can SS-pect U
been not in A-meri-Car, but in T_E_L
A_V_I_V, writing to me for a liaison's
psychological test for Mossad.
PPS I hope my little computer can do it. (open a zip) I work
at home on a used office computer that someone gave to me
out of the goodness of their heart.
-------- Could he / she / they ("of the goodness
of their heart") "give to you out" a better computer,
the one appropriate for maintaining your life in
dignity? Why a working woman in United States,
a country, which teaches everyone, how to behave
and how to build "a democracy", can not buy a
normal, not a small, computer?
I has windows 95!!!and now only a bootleg version of '98.
It is called a "Micron" I believe that it must flabbergast those who
would try to enter and rape it because it is such "old technology" .
Hardee
HARRR
I say gleefully.
---------- Maybe, who knows?
Hey that is a "good" poetical idea about nasty computer hackers!
..intrusive behavior and then rape!..feel free to run with the idea..i
believe in creative fractals that lead to mutual inspirational orgasms..
creative projects, n'est-ce pas? ok let me get back ..to the future..
m.
------- i could better say "multiple orgasms"
----- Original Message -----
From: "L. G." <leog@total.net>
To:
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: Part One Over and under: Re: ===== My Reply and Thoughts --
3
==============================
Alice in Wonderland wrote:
>
> Quick reply.
> It's almost one and my writing ..sucks in the reread.
> I either sound pompous or ignorant ...or both. lol
----- none.... nope....
> You didn't get my toonie?
> Does that mean you didn't get the painting?
> Ai yi yi..I'll have to send (mebbe) from yahoo or try attaching..
---------- attachment received, sanks
> no guarantees at success.
> I don't zip. I ACDSe
-------- I (asd)-see
> I am fairly good at research but ....not so good at Geek.
> YOU sound like YOU speak Fluent Geek.
----- U R (F)3 2 colla t' GEEK. as U wish.
However, my opinion is that Geek is a culture.
After culture comes geek languge, geek erotique,
et les autre chose.
"les autres"
> I am a Mary Full of Gracie.
(Burns and Allen)
------ Alice in Wonderland (Mary) Christmas!
> Which is what my friends call me,
> Here is example.. the other day at work someone gets stuck
in a program that
> I have taught myself a little in order to get by..but really have no
> knowledge of...they want to know how to make the margins and text not
> confined by margins of three inches wide each side...(this is in windows
xp)
> I look and tell them I can not fix it but I make it purple. I make it
purple
> and it works and so they make it white and it looks corrected. Make
sense? I
> don't ....but it works, n'est-ce pas?
------- I don't understand, what you mean by
"margins in windows XP". Is that desktop
margins - or what? I can understand about
margins in Word, or Word Perfect, or....
May be: you mean: "marginal"?
Thanks for (.............)
MY music and photos you can see (listen to) at
gunin-music.narod.ru
> I should send you a picture when I was 30.....
------- you're one of the heroes' type. Me too.
Unfortunately.
> This cracks me up because it happens frequently. I guess I am a puff
of
> fresh air... relative to the rest of the Old Farts.
> I feel ancient in the morning especially after being up most of
night. It
> is now 1:22 am
> I look ravaged as well. Dark Circles under my eyes. Bags. Luggage.
> I am a vampire before rising from the dead...
-------- Me - I'm not obsessed of how I'm looking
I'm able to stand it. For me, it's more important how I feel..
Since I came to Canada my health was bearable.
Now, for 2 years or more, Israelis are targeting me by
threats that they are going to poison me or infect me, or
kill me through a blood test, or a poisoned condom, etc.
I am strong enough to be immune to paranoia or a
persecution mania, and generalization. I don't see a
potential killer in each medical doctor or a nurse
(they ARE killers, but this is from another opera: hope
you understand what I mean). Unfortunately enough,
I have received a very special e-mail from Israel, from an
Israeli right-wing Russian-speaking patriotic activist, in
which he claimed that I've got a poisoned dental feeling,
which will poison and kill me. His description of the
"plumb" is matching circumstances and the facts around
it. It was a temporary feeling, but 3 years after it is still as
solid as a permanent "plumb". I went to 8 dentists, asking
to replace it, and they've a) refused, b) drilled another tooth
c) cancelled an appointment, etc. Now tests have shown that
I have a source of intoxication in my organism, which is
destroying my liver and kidneys.
Bad enough, ah?
> Can you send me response in color? so it is not so hard to read?
> How about yahoo?
------- I am "officially" restricted from Yahoo and
other free mailboxes. Basically I CAN (of course)
send you a response in color, no problem. I just
don't want to use this Mossad-made Outlook
Express Explorer or the main Israeli espionage
tool ICQ (which Israeli company Mirabilis owns).
Any submission from not made by me mailing
program will endanger my system's security. My
mailing program looks like Netscape 3, but it is not.
> I am holymutternutter@suttu.net
> Holy Mutter Nutter
> or Alice in Wonderlandddalton@yahoo.com but I get all my news
subs there.
>
> Then again mdda@falllls.net is easier from home and I don't check
the
> other addies as much.
> Ai yi yi I go on too much.
> I'll try sending the toonie as attachment and the painting.
> M.
--------- Too much e-mail addresses for a mature
woman. It's very significant for a teenager.
> You don't have a library?! What is the menace in this?!.
> how cruel!
> O Canada!
------- When I was deported from my native
Belarus to Warsaw, and in Warsaw kidnapped
by Israelis and taken to Israel by force, my
personal Library, which had 7 thousands
books, wasn't dismantled yet. In Israel,
I've received a big part of the books from
friends in Germany and Poland, whom I've
sent them prior to deportation. The most
de-structuring blow to my library was done
by Israeli vandals and barglers, post-office
and custom workers, who have been stealing
millions of items from new immigrants'
luggage and parcels. Many of my books have
been also stolen (I believe - by Israelis) from
a cargo, sent to Canada from Israel.
Till 2001 all libraries in Montreal allowed
you to read their books without even asking
your ID. Then they became more and more
suspicious and demanding: as a result of 911
Israeli-American assault on rights and freedoms.
Now the libraries, which belong to Jewish
organizations, or are controlled by them, or
have an incorporated Jewish authority
behind them, have established self-imposed
"rules", "regulations" and "laws", demanding
2 or 3 pieces of ID, or / and refusing to give
access to their books for non-citizens: like me.
A good example is McGill University's
libraries. Because the dirty Jewish magnates
(like Bronfman for Asper families) and Jewish
organizations have invested and donated
millions and millions to this university, and
because it has a huge Jewish professors'
and students' contingent with decidable
influence, THEY have imposed THEIR
rules. I know that now Muslim students are
discriminated in McGill libraries, even if
they ARE Canadian citizens. Of course, I
can go to other libraries, but they are
a) very far away from my home b) not
good libraries. This is what I'm calling the
Jewish inquisition in North America.
> Tell me YOUR birthday Levlee One.
----- I have a superstition for telling
my birthday's date beyond official
applications. You can see informatn
about my birthday at gunin-music.
narod.ru
=========================
Leon:
> > my mailing program can not carry
> > huge texts in the window.
> > Yours,
===============================
Subject: Fwd: Fw: The draft of the toon that caused furor
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 22:25:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Mutter <holymutternutter >
To: leog@total.net
By forwarding this I lost the background!
Wah! O well it was only a draft anyway and the words kept changing I
remember.
Like:
"Why do you have to bring all this peace crap home with you"
then someone else didn't like "crap" in connection with "peace" etc...
-------- polit. correctness. ah?
I got sooo punished for this toonie!
~Fundamentally Free~
http://www.
-------- could not open yesterday; will try again
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Subject: Fw: The draft of the toon that caused furor
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 01:43:45 -0500
From: Alice in Wonderland La < >
To: leog@total.net
I suppose you missed this as well
I can't see what I am sending if I don't embed it which is why I got
"outlook express"
------- Outlook Express is the most malicious
program for human rights and pro-democratic
activists.
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Alice in Wonderland wrote:
> *I like slang and made up words .
> *I like having fun with language..like the
australians do to
> english...
-------- you're Alice in the Wonderland....
=========
Leon:
> ------- I agree with your smart remark.
> You know, this reminds me about my
> situation. I can not use libraries, because
> I have no citizenship, and after Israeli
> assault on America (911) restrictions and
> repression have been imposed everywhere,
> including libraries.
================
Alice in Wonderland:
> *Many people in this country and in my library system do not have
> citizenship. You don't need *citizenship to use the library or have
a
> library card. In order to get a *library card you need proof of
> *current address, not citizenship.
-------- I am sorry, but you don't know
the whole truth. I am in contact with many
anti-Israeli activists and Muslim activists
in USA, and they telling a different story.
I think that your knowledge about the
situation of the access to information in
USA isn't advanced.
> *So you can't see this color? how about if I change font to this?
-------- I see everything exactly as you
create it only in the first moment of
receiving your e-mail. Then my program
converts it (... take a deep breath... ) to an
ordinary text.
> ----- .... or marsian
> *You mean Marzipan of course!
------- I mean people from Mars.
Remember? "Women are from Venus,
and men are from Mars"
I like working with made up words, too.
However, I am doing it with more
virtuosity in my native languages.
You must understand that.
> ----- your sense of humour is amazing
>
> *Humor is a Blessing. I once wrote poor Vanunu that he must practice
> his laugh.
> *He is one person who probably dislikes Izzies more than you! Imagine
> being in Israeli prison for 17 1/2 years. More than half in solitary.
> Izzies = Israelis
> Pals = Palestinians
-------- I am aware of this. The name
Izzi is a shortened version from Israel.
> ------ First of all, it is smart, and
> this is somehow relates to Esperanto.
> i'vrbrrb
------ yeppp....
> > Hah. I would call you up in the middle of the night and
tell you if
> > thought I left something out..I would sky write it from an
> airplane...I
> > would make up a song about it and sing it and even get
others to be
> a chorus
> *I was making joke as in...there is little that would hold me back
> from telling you 1. I am angry 2. what *i am angry about
> *Men are often "clueless" about what is obvious in a woman's anger.
> ------ OK, go on, call me: (514) .............
> However, I prefer letters' exchange. I am afraid
of ..............
.................................
English or Belorussian.
> *Wowzers. That must be tricky.
> What a great spy you would make.
----- I AM a great spy.
> I am amazed by fluency when I am so tongue-tied
> What language do you dream in ?
----- none of them. My dreams are
wordless. I dream music.
> Or is you were to talk in your sleep? what would you sound like?
> Polish? Russian?
------- I never talk in my sleep.
Whoever exploits our brain while
we're asleep, will not hear my
"thank you", will not extort it
from me.......
> Do you speak Yiddish? or Hebrew? as well?
------ I speak German. Isn't it enough?
Of course, I speak Yiddish. This is
an ancient German with some (very
small number) of Hebrew words. I
used to speak Hebrew, and was a Hebrew
teacher in ex-USSR. After Israel Hebrew
was erased from my mind. Probably, it is
a result of some psychological phenomenon,
or abnormality. But you must believe me. I'm
not lying. And this is not a pose or a joke.
I really CAN NOT speak Hebrew after Israel.
You can imagine, what they have did to me,
if I had this atypical psychological reaction.
Of course, I understand Hebrew perfectly.
> How many languages do you speak?
-------- 12
> You write very well in English and do not seem to have any problem
> expressing yourself.
-------- "very well" must be a negative
characteristic. It means that I don't have
your elegance and literary freedom in
English.
> ----- don't listen to astrologers - they
> know only half of the truth. And this
> is worse then a lie.
> I am surrounded by astrologers. Even Tibetan.
----- I see.... I hope that I did not
insult your environment.
> You are a musician? I was once a singer and performer when I was
> younger.
> I sang in musicals and I studied opera. My voice is abused so now I
> croak.
> But I was recently at a labyrinth and participated in a harmonic
> concordance.
> I rather like that..coming together and producing sounds with all the
> different folk..
------- I've used to sing in several chorales,
ones of the bests in the world. In the bases
group. To sing in the bases group you must
have a very perfect musical hearing.
> Do you play an instrument? Tell me what kind please.
-------- Piano and synthesiser.
> I knew a raving anti-Israeli American jazz percussionist.
> One day he became too hate-hate-hate FULL and I told him, "Enough!
> Already!" and he got very annoyed and we are no longer friends
even
> though on the same side. C'est dommage
------- In French, just say "dommage".
> He was a wonderful musician and I hope he is lending his tradition to
> some kids...
> Cubano-Latino-Orisha
------- you mean - salsa?
> > ****>And American "occupation" of a culture? a culture that
was not
> > "savage" but had a society.
> > Look what the Europeans did to the ancient South Americans..my
> mothers
> > tribe..Aztec and Inca..
> *I am writing an article about the French and Spanish and British and
> Dutch and their cruelty to the O.P.
> O.P. = Original People
> ----- You mean Spanish, Portuguese,
> Dutch, British and Jews?
> inquisition. And don't forget about hidden
> Jewish connection: slavery trade and gold
> search were mostly owned by Jews.
> *Higher up ....in the Colonies now USA.
> I shall show you my research when I am done. If I am done.
> I am too distracted with trying to clean up 4 rooms ..for company.
-------- I'll wait for your complete research with imppp - rison.
> ----- If you making a parallel to American
> global expansion, this comparison is correct.
..........................................
> in America.
> *We took the example of the more dominant European.
> I will discuss this more ..later and/or show you the article .....if
> it gets better
.........................
> New Yorkers..sensitive? harrrrrrrrrr
>
> You gotta be kiddin
------ probably a wrong expression.
I was intended to say that they have
a better taste then people who live in
Alabama or California (outside of
Las Vegas and Los-Angeles), and,
of course, any generalization is
very uncertain.
> And I'll try to answer your other e-mails below:
============
> Alice in Wonderland wrote:
Leon:
> > > ---- I have my own browser, designed by myself.
> > > Israeli Zionists are often sending me computer
> > > viruses and letters with threats.
.................
------ It is hard to understand, what happened.
If you'll have time, describe this in details.
.................
> *It was "out of a story" ..a tall tale! absurd and bizarre
> in discovery but so...fraught with devious possibility. It was another
> synchronous moment because it was a fluke i saw it when I did.
> *Remind me sometime to send some to you and you will see hidden in the
> html codes quotes from English literature. L'idiots took obscure
> quotes from googled and ranked websites. They were so smart in their
> computing but ....forget not to show off too much and become
> trackable.
> > I hope any or many of those snooping see my erotic stories, pictures
> > of nekkid cowboys AND my feelings politically. I WISH any or ALL
of
> > those crashing through my Firewall WOULD pay attention to my
> politick!
> > Geesh.
> ----- You mean erotic stories, written by you,
> which you keep on your hard drive? And "nekkid"
> cowboys, kept in the same plas?
> *I keep lots of snippets and stories on the computer..hard to
> determine what is real and what is a dream. As for nekkid cowboys ...I
> have a group of writer friends...my immediate boss at work..who is
> part of a writing group that writes all male gay erotica. The
women
> write better. The men write "grunt grunt" So. Her freinds write sci
fi
> fantasy and also about cowboys. Yippee-I-Oh
------- Will you share a couple of your stories with me?
> *I write about fetish behavior and men.
--------- Why not about fetish behaviour and women?
Because - as many scientist suggest - men are more
typical fetishists then women?
> > I also get alot of malicious spam..but that happened working for
> > Yellow Times just before Bush's War as well.
> > Sigh.
> > Soigh. (that's an accent)
> > Also if I write: n'est-ce pas?
>
> > that is an affectation and means, roight? right?!
> ----- a very precise translation:
> "isn't it so?" Did you pick up
> some French in New Orleans?
> n'est-ce pas?
> *I was 2 1/2 years at the time. All I "picked" up was....rickets and
> trench mouth from eating dirt.
-------- dommage...........
> ----- I like this approach. It
> has a texture.
>
> > however I would also like to discuss comparisons
> > sweat shops servants and slaves of the green card
>
> ----- This is a very American expression.
> Many people outside ..................
> *I meant ..to know what happens to the immigrant and those that must
> work at slave's wages, etc...
------ I've understood THIS PART
A sweat shop is where one is forced to
> work either without education or the proper papers at bad wages for
> long hours .
----- OK, now I see. Thanks for
making this clear.
Good luck.
Yours,
Leon
-----------------------------------------------
===========================
===== Leon: ====
DEAR Alice in Wonderland!
I'll try to respond to all your last e-mails;
however, I don't have much time, so, I
apologise that my answer won't be in
details. Sorry for that.
============================
Subject:
Re: Part One Over and under: Re: ===== My Reply and
Thoughts -- 3
Date:
Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:29:37 -0500
From:
Alice in Wonderland < @e.net>
To:
leog@total.net
Hi. I'm writing about the O.P. (Original People) who are also called o.
p.
(occupied people)
------- MY QUESTION: what semantic or logical
connotation is between "original" and "occupied"?
I see only so called by me abbreviation's skeleton,
which is similar. Nothing more.
(BUT: I hate .... "original=native")
I ummm should have been cleaning my house HAH for Big Dinner /Feast on
Sunday.
--------- Please, forgive me this question, but
what is HAH?
"which is my "thanks given"..but today is my only day off and my wake
call was delaid. I was delaid. Willingly delaid.
But now I am further delayed and not Finnish.
I am More Rushin than YOU might think.
soon I shall look at this
till then
later
------- I like this fragment for its
stereoscopic mutations-replacements
and pseudo-contra-synonyms. Rushing
may be not only Russian, but also
Rush In, and Finnish has 7 different
options. Bravo!
PS Can I trust your attachment?
Are you viral? or just virile?
------- Even if you have been joking,
even then you should not mention that
trust. Because the trust is working in
both sides, visa versa. If - theoretically
(I don't mean that you're thinking so) -
U can expect MI (sol, la) sending U
why-RUSES, then ai can SS-pect U
been not in A-meri-Car, but in T_E_L
A_V_I_V, writing to me for a liaison's
psychological test for Mossad.
PPS I hope my little computer can do it. (open a zip) I work at home on
a
used office computer that someone gave to me out of the goodness of
their
heart.
-------- Could he / she / they ("of the goodness
of their heart") "give to you out" a better computer,
the one appropriate for maintaining your life in
dignity? Why a working woman in United States,
......................
can not buy a
normal, not a small, computer?
I has windows 95!!!and now only a bootleg version of '98.
It is called a "Micron" I believe that it must flabbergast those who
would
try to enter and rape it because it is such "old technology" . Hardee
HARRR
I say gleefully.
---------- Maybe, who knows?
Hey that is a "good" poetical idea about nasty computer hackers!
..intrusive
behavior and then rape!..feel free to run with the idea..i believe in
creative fractals that lead to mutual inspirational orgasms..creative
projects, n'est-ce pas? ok let me get back ..to the future..
m.
------- i could better say "multiple orgasms"
----- Original Message -----
From: "L. G." <leog@total.net>
To: < >
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: Part One Over and under: Re: ===== My Reply and Thoughts --
3
> See my response as an attachment:
==============================
Alice in Wonderland wrote:
>
> Quick reply.
> It's almost one and my writing ..sucks in the reread.
> I either sound pompous or ignorant ...or both. lol
----- none.... nope....
> You didn't get my toonie?
> Does that mean you didn't get the painting?
> Ai yi yi..I'll have to send (mebbe ) from yahoo or try attaching..
---------- attachment received, sanks
> no guarantees at success.
> I don't zip. I ACDSe
-------- I (asd)-see
> I am fairly good at research but ....not so good at Geek.
> YOU sound like YOU speak Fluent Geek.
----- U R (F)3 2 colla t' GEEK. as U wish.
However, my opinion is that Geek is a culture.
After culture comes geek languge, geek erotique,
et les autre chose.
> I am a Alice in Wonderland Full of Gracie.
--------- Too much e-mail addresses for a mature
woman. It's very significant for a teenager.
------- When I was deported from my native
Belarus to Warsaw,
This is what I'm calling the
...............................................
> Tell me YOUR birthday Levlee One.
=========================
Leon:
> > my mailing program can not carry
> > huge texts in the window.
===============================
Subject: Fwd: Fw: The draft of the toon that caused furor
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 22:25:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Mutter <holymutternutter@o.net>
To: leog@total.net
By forwarding this I lost the background!
Wah! O well it was only a draft anyway and the words kept changing I
remember.
Like:
"Why do you have to bring all this peace crap home with you"
then someone else didn't like "crap" in connection with "peace" etc...
-------- polit. correctness. ah?
I got sooo punished for this toonie!
~Fundamentally Free~
http://www.
-------- could not open yesterday; will try again
From: Alice in Wonderland <
Subject: Fw: The draft of the toon that caused furor
To: holymutternutter@
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
----- Original Message -----
From: Alice in Wonderland
To: leog@total.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:34 PM
Subject: The draft of the toon that caused furor
baloney on wry
~Pagans Have Rites Too~
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 01:43:45 -0500
From: Alice in Wonderland <
To: leog@total.net
I suppose you missed this as well
I can't see what I am sending if I don't embed it which is why I got
"outlook express"
------- Outlook Express is the most malicious
program for human rights and pro-democratic
activists.
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Alice in Wonderland wrote:
> *I like slang and made up words .
> *I like having fun with language..like the australians do to
> english...
-------- you're Alice in the Wonderland....
=========
Leon:
> ------- I agree with your smart remark.
================
Alice in Wonderland:
> *Many people in this country and in my library system do not have
> citizenship. You don't need *citizenship to use the library or have
a
> library card. In order to get a *library card you need proof of
> *current address, not citizenship.
-------- I am sorry, but you don't know
the whole truth.
(.....................)
> *So you can't see this color? how about if I change font to this?
-------- I see everything exactly as you
create it only in the first moment of
receiving your e-mail. Then my program
converts it (... take a deep breath... ) to an
ordinary text.
I like working with made up words, too.
However, I am doing it with more
virtuosity in my native languages.
You must understand that.
> ----- your sense of humor is amazing
> *Humor is a Blessing. I once wrote poor Vanunu that he must practice
> his laugh.
> *He is one person who probably dislikes Izzies more than you! Imagine
> being in Israeli prison for 17 1/2 years. More than half in solitary.
> Izzies = Israelis
> Pals = Palestinians
-------- I am aware of this. The name
Izzi is a shortened version from Israel.
> ------ First of all, it is smart, and
> this is somehow relates to Esperanto.
> i'vrbrrb
------ yeppp....
> > Hah. I would call you up in the middle of the night and tell you
if
> > thought I left something out..I would sky write it from an
> airplane...I
> > would make up a song about it and sing it and even get others to
be
> a chorus
> *I was making joke as in...there is little that would hold me back
> from telling you 1. I am angry 2. what *i am angry about
> *Men are often "clueless" about what is obvious in a woman's anger.
----- I AM a great spy.
> I am amazed by fluency when I am so tongue-tied
> What language do you dream in ?
----- none of them. My dreams are
wordless. I dream music.
> Or is you were to talk in your sleep? what would you sound like?
> Polish? Russian?
------- I never talk in my sleep.
Whoever exploits our brain while
we're asleep, will not hear my
"thank you", will not extort it
from me.
> How many languages do you speak?
-------- 12
> Do you play an instrument? Tell me what kind please.
-------- Piano and synthesiser.
> C'est dommage
------- In French, just say "dommage".
> He was a wonderful musician and I hope he is lending his tradition to
> some kids...
> Cubano-Latino-Orisha
------- you mean - salsa?
> O.P. = Original People
> ----- You mean Spanish, Portuguese,
> *Higher up ....in the Colonies now USA.
> I shall show you my research when I am done. If I am done.
> I am too distracted with trying to clean up 4 rooms ..for company.
-------- I'll wait for your complete research
with imp.............
> ----- If you making a parallel to American
> global expansion, this comparison is correct.
> *We took the example of the more dominant European.
> I will discuss this more ..later and/or show you the article .....if
> it gets better
> ----- For me, NY and Boston, and New Orleans -
>
> New Yorkers..sensitive? harrrrrrrrrr
>
> You gotta be kiddin
------ probably a wrong expression.
> ----- Me too. I regret I don't speak Spanish.
> > I shall answer the rest of this at lunch or later..ok?
> > Levleon
> ----- Sure.
============
> Alice in Wonderland wrote:
Leon:
> > > ---- I have my own browser, designed by myself.
> > > Israeli Zionists are often sending me computer
> > > viruses and letters with threats.
> > Exactly.
> ------ An absolutely striking scene!
>
> > Signed,
>
> > The Wise and Solomeanie SolomAlice in Wonderland
>
> ------ TERRRR IFFFIC!
>
> > I was recently placed in the position...........
> ------ It is hard to understand, wh............
> If you have time, describe in details...............
> *It was "out of a story" ..a tall tale! absurd and bizarre
> in discovery but so...fraught with devious possibility. It was another
> synchronous moment because it was a fluke i saw it when I did.
> > Geesh.
> ----- You mean erotic stories, written by you,
> which you keep on your hard drive? And "nekkid"
> cowboys, kept in the same plas?
> *I keep lots of snippets and stories on the computer..hard to
> determine what is real and what is a dream. As for nekkid cowboys ...
--------- Why not about fetish behavior and women?
> > that is an affectation and means, roight? right?!
> All I "picked" up was....rickets and
> trench mouth from eating dirt.
-------- dommage...........
> ----- I like this approach. It
> has a texture
------ I understood THIS PART
----- OK, now I see. Thanks for
making this clear.
Good luck.
============================
========= Alice in Wonderland: =====
I did not see the rest that you answered..
This is my supper break. Keep going please.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: L. G. leog@total.net
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:58:17 -0800
To:
Subject: Re: Mev Maeve
DEAR Alice in Wonderland!
I'll try to respond to all your last e-mails;
however, I don't have much time, so, I
apologise that my answer won't be in
details. Sorry for that.
============================
Subject:
Re: Part One Over and under: Re: ===== My Reply and
Thoughts -- 3
Date:
Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:29:37 -0500
From:
Alice in Wonderland <<<<<
To:
leog@total.net
Hi. I'm writing about the O.P. (Original People) who are also called
o. p. (occupied people)
*"O.P. = original people: who are the people whose culture has evolved
around a certain geographical spot. Sometimes they are "indigenous". Often
they "conquered" are dispossessed from land because they do not have legal
papers even though the land may have been theirs for generations…etc..
Ex. In Central America and Mexico there are indigenous people whose
The Bedouin villagers are an example O.P.
"Occupied" is how you live
I ummm should have been cleaning my house HAH for Big Dinner /Feast on
Sunday.
--------- Please, forgive me this question, but
what is HAH?
"HAH" is the stronger version of "hah"
"Ha-Ha"
"which is my "thanks given"..but today is my only day off and my wake
call was delaid. I was delaid. Willingly delaid.
But now I am further delayed and not Finnish.
I am More Rushin than YOU might think.
soon I shall look at this
till then
later
This was attempt at "yuk-yuk" (humor). I get a little punny and funny
sometimes as well.
------- I like this fragment for its
stereoscopic mutations-replacements
.............................
Bravo!
And…perhaps the one language you do not speak? Finnish is supposedly a
difficult language.
This is good example of "yuk-yuk" joke.
======== Leon: =====
Because the trust is working in
both sides, visa versa.
==================
Both sides?
Someone once told me that when both sides mistrust you, it is a good sign
that you are being "fair"
==================
If - theoretically
(I don't mean that you're thinking so) -
U can expect MI (sol, la) sending U
why-RUSES, then ai can SS-pect U
been not in A-meri-Car, but in T_E_L
A_V_I_V, writing to me for a liaison's
psychological test for Mossad.
===================
"a liason's psychological test" ?
"why-RUSES?"?
This reminds me of a book by William Steig called: "CDB"
PPS I hope my little computer can do it. (open a zip) I work
at home on a used office computer that someone gave to me
out of the goodness of their heart.
-------- Could he / she / they ("of the goodness
of their heart") "give to you out" a better computer,
the one appropriate for maintaining your life in
dignity? Why a working woman in United States,
a country, which teaches everyone, how to behave
and how to build a democracy, can not buy a
normal, not a small, computer?
Nope. I have "priorities" : like my "dental debt", new roof on house, hole
in ceiling. I need new refrigerator, stove…etc…
Hey that is a "good" poetical idea about nasty computer hackers!
..intrusive
behavior and then rape!..feel free to run with the idea..i believe in
creative fractals that lead to mutual inspirational orgasms..creative
projects, n'est-ce pas? ok let me get back ..to the future..
m.
------- i could better say "multiple orgasms"
Only, for the ambidextrous
----- Original Message -----
From: "L. G." <leog@total.net>
To: <mdda
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: Part One Over and under: Re: ===== My Reply and Thoughts --
3
==============================
> You didn't get my toonie?
> Does that mean you didn't get the painting?
> Ai yi yi..I'll have to send (mebbe ) from yahoo or try attaching..
---------- attachment received, sanks
You're Seldom. Anytime.
> no guarantees at success.
> I don't zip. I ACDSe
-------- I (asd)-see
> I am fairly good at research but ....not so good at Geek.
> YOU sound like YOU speak Fluent Geek.
----- U R (F)3 2 colla t' GEEK. as U wish.
However, my opinion is that Geek is a culture.
After culture comes geek languge, geek erotique,
et les autres ............
That's getting a little Greek about it.
> I am a Mary Full of Gracie.
(Burns and Allen)
Do you know who George Burns is? And Gracie Allen?
Icons of American Radio and TV?
I am a little? Like Gracie..therefore my friends say:
Hail Alice in Wonderland, Full of Gracie!
This is NOT entirely a compliment. Grace is a ditzee.
> Which is what my friends call me,
> Here is example.. the other day at work someone gets stuck in a program
that
> I have taught myself a little in order to get by..but really have no
> knowledge of...they want to know how to make the margins and text not
> confined by margins of three inches wide each side...(this is in windows
xp)
> I look and tell them I can not fix it but I make it purple. I make it
purple
> and it works and so they make it white and it looks corrected. Make
sense? I
> don't ....but it works, n'est-ce pas?
------- I don't understand, what you mean by
"margins in windows XP". Is that desktop
margins - or what? I can understand about
margins in Word, or Word Perfect, or....
May be: you mean: "marginal"?
The point was I couldn't tell them how to fix it directly. I made it
"purple" and then they could change it. In other words ..it was an absurd
way to solve the problem, but it worked. Things work like that for me in
the universe.
..........................
This is where you make mistake.
It is the teenager women who are trying to sound like me! Hot Cha Cha
Cha.
===========
MY music and photos you can see (listen to) at
gunin-music.narod.ru
===========
------- you're one of the heroes' type. Me too.
Unfortunately.
Hero's type? Me, a Leander?
I know a hero type, quite well. He reached out and grabbed his
schizophrenic sister as she lept off a bridge. He held her dangling in his
arms intent upon holding her or else going over the bridge with her. It was
a country road and after 10 minutes it was likely he would go as well..but
just then a truck came by and stopped. And she lived long to shot her
brains out another time.
He is not a hero 24-7
-------- Me - I'm not obsessed of how I'm looking
I'm able to stand it.
Ah. You're the lucky one. How about the rest of the world? Unless you are
a
hermit, they have no choice! Hah (sotto voce)
===================
For me, it's more important how I feel. .
Since I came to Canada
.....................
======= Alice: ======
I only understand that Israel and Israelis exude a general paranoia. Why
is
that, do you suppose? Is it paranoia or persecution complex? Either way it
is a virus that infects and re-infects. There may be immunity before during
and after exposure. Only the autopsy will prove if it was the disease or
the fear of the disease that killed you.
==========================
Unfortunately enough,
I have received a very special e-mail from Israel, from an
Israeli right-wing Russian-speaking patriotic activist, in
which he claimed that I've got a poisoned dental feeling,
which will poison and kill me.
.....................
Bad enough, ah?
==========================
This sounds like "X-Files" .
What is a "plumb"? is that a filling? As in silver or gold or mercury?
My Dennis (dentist) is a Philip.
He is a sadist who holds my hand and asks if I am in pain just before he
inflicts more pain.
He spends hours with me, until he sees a tear roll down my cheek and I say
enough!"
> Can you send me response in color? so it is not so hard to read?
> How about yahoo?
------- I am "officially" restricted from Yahoo and
other free mailboxes.
**Officailly?! Why, if I may ask?
----- Basically I CAN (of course)
send you a response in color, no problem. I just
don't want to use this Mossad-made Outlook
Express, Explorer or the main Israeli espionage
tool ICQ (which Israeli company Mirabilis owns).
** Outlook Express is Mossad-Made?
I use it because I can embed my pictures; my art work, without attachments
and with a background.
----- Any submission from not made by me mailing
program will endanger my system's security. My
mailing program looks like Netscape 3, but it is not.
> I am holymutternutter@
> Holy Mutter Nutter
> or Alice in Wonderlandddalton@ but I get all my news subs there.
>
> Then again mdda@ is easier from home and I don't check
the
> other addies as much.
> Ai yi yi I go on too much.
> I'll try sending the toonie as attachment and the painting.
> M.
--------- Too many e-mail addresses ......... for
** Not at all.
You have set criterias for ages what is appropriate?
Before I had a computer, I used the computers at the library after work for
school and for personal use.
I started with a yahoo addy and got all my subscriptions at one. Then my
friends started with the jokes and the "wisdom", etc…. So I got an addy
just for them, because I could not hurt their feelings about the jokes I
rarely read and the lovely thoughts about "friendship" etc….
Then I got my computer and the best serive provider, all things considered,
for me was a "cable" hook up and I received an addy from them that I had
to
use. I did not want to get rid of the yahoo one with the subs or the
friends.
Then I also have one or two political "groups" that I keep separated
because it is easier to do so and less confusing.
I also had a creative partner and a fiction project that was a separate
addy, as well. It read like a real corro but was not; it was only
fictional, but reads in first person.
I say let who ever is snooping figure it out.or keep themselves endlessly
busy. L'idiots. harrr
> You don't have a library?! What is the menace in this?!.
> how cruel!
------- When I was deported from my native
Belarus to Warsaw, and in Warsaw kidnapped
by Israelis and taken to Israel by force, my
personal Library, which had 7 thousands
books,
.........................
** You were deported?
And kidnapped?
Like Vanunu?
** Why would Israel want you? If Warsaw…didn't?
============
Israel kidnaps thousands of people all around
the world. Women are kidnapped because they
are turned into sex-slaves. Children are kidnapped
for selling them for money. Jews are kidnapped
because for every Jew's "head", taken to Israel
as "an immigrant ("repatriant")" Israeli
government receive 400.000 from American
rich Jews and from various international sources.
And so on...........
=============
Till 2001 all libraries in Montreal allowed
you to read their books without even asking
your ID. Then they became more and more
suspicious and demanding: as a result of 911
Israeli-American assault on rights and freedoms.
** Because of ID? My library takes ID for a card or to use the computers.
But
anyone can sit and read in the library and I will even give a paperback
away if one needs something to read.
Academic libraries are more strict, as well they should be because of the
great theft that goes on.
===================
Now the libraries, which belong to Jewish
organisations, or are controlled by them,
.....................
for non-citizens like me.
"Now the libraries, which belong to Jewish
organisations,
......................
for non-citizens like me."
** I do not buy into this being "incorporated Jewish authority"
==============
A good example is McGill University's
libraries.
==============
** You have a right, of course, to express yourself like this, but ….NOT
to me.
I do not tolerate language or people who use the word "dirty" in specific
or general context about ANY ethnic group…whether it be about Jews or
Muslims, Israelis or Arabs..etc..etc….
I have had to say "goodbye" to a few folk who do so.
I think that may be the case with you, Leon.
This is a "skin head" mentality and if it could be depicted as a disease,
I
would call it: "cancer of the soul"
I have no time to spare for it.
Au revoir, Leon. I wish you, better.
M.
============
Because the dirty Jewish magnates
(like Bronfman for Asper amilies) and Jewish
organisations have invested and donated
millions and millions to this university, and
because it has a huge Jewish professors'
and students' contingent with decidable
influence, THEY have imposed THEIR
rules.
===========
=========================
---------------------------------------
==================================
===== Alice in Wonderland: ======
I did not see the rest that you answered..
This is my supper break. Keep going please.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: L. G. leog@total.net
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:58:17 -0800
To:
Subject: Re: Mev Maeve
============================
Ex. In Central America and Mexico there are indigenous people whose land
has been the land of their ancestors. They have no deed or legal recourse
to the land.
The Bedouin villagers are an example O.P.
"Occupied" is when someone else decides that the same land is up for grabs
because they can take it as theirs'
I ummm should have been cleaning my house HAH for Big Dinner /Feast on
Sunday.
*And.perhaps the one language you do not speak? Finnish is supposedly a
difficult language.
*This is good example of "yuk-yuk" joke.
"a liason's psychological test" ?
"why-RUSES?"?
This reminds me of a book by William Steig called: "CDB"
PPS I hope my little computer can do it. (open a zip) I work at home on
a used office computer that someone gave to me out of the goodness of
their heart.
*Nope. I have "priorities" : like my "dental debt", new roof on house, hole
in ceiling. I need new refrigerator, stove.etc. I don't have a car..but if
I did it probably would NOT be a Lincoln, etc..
------- i could better say "multiple orgasms"
*Only, if ambidextrous
==============================
> I am fairly good at research but ....not so good at Geek.
> YOU sound like YOU speak Fluent Geek.
----- U R (F)3 2 colla t' GEEK. as U wish.
However, my opinion is that Geek is a culture.
After culture comes geek languge, geek erotique,
et les autre chose.
*That's getting a little Greek about it.
> Here is example.. the other day at work someone gets stuck in a program
that
> I have taught myself a little in order to get by..but really have no
> knowledge of...they want to know how to make the margins and text not
> confined by margins of three inches wide each side...(this is in windows
xp)
> I look and tell them I can not fix it but I make it purple. I make it
purple
> and it works and so they make it white and it looks corrected. Make
sense? I
> don't ....but it works, n'est-ce pas?
------- I don't understand, what you mean by
"margins in windows XP". Is that desktop
margins - or what? I can understand about
margins in Word, or Word Perfect, or....
May be: you mean: "marginal"?
*The point was I couldn't tell them how to fix it directly. I made it
"purple" and then they could change it. In other words ..it was an absurd
way to solve the problem, but it worked. Things work like that for me in
the universe.
*Hero's type? Me, a Leander?
I know a hero type, quite well. He reached out and grabbed his
schizophrenic sister as she lept off a bridge. He held her dangling in his
arms intent upon holding her or else going over the bridge with her. It was
a country road and after 10 minutes it was likely he would go as well..but
just then a truck came by and stopped. And she lived long to shot her
brains out another time.
He is not a hero 24-7
--------- Too many e-mail addresses......
It's very significant for a teenager.
*Not at all.
You have set criterias for ages what is appropriate?
Before I had a computer, I used the computers at the library after work for
school and for personal use.
A good example is McGill University's
libraries.
*You have a right, of course, to express yourself anyway you wish but ..NOT
to me.
I do not tolerate language or people who use the word "dirty" in specific
or general context about ANY ethnic grou...p.whether it be about Jews or
Muslims, Israelis or Arabs..etc..etc..
This is the sort of thing that keeps Israel from having to do the "right"
thing..because everyone focuses on "anti-semitism" instead of International
and
Humanitarian laws.
YOU have empowered the things you protest the most. It is a nasty habit,
but one that can be broken, rejected and/or replaced.
I simply do not have time to wait for your "rehab" and indeed you may not
be rehabilitated.
Thee is also the chance You may become the thing you hate most about them
I have had to say "goodbye" to a few folk who do this. I think that may be
the case with you, Leon.
This is a "skin head" mentality and if it could be depicted as a disease,
I
would call it: "cancer of the soul"
I have no time to spare for it.
Au revoir, Leon. I wish you, better.
M.
PS I re wrote this from home to be more obvious and clear about my
rejection of your thinking. I do not wish you ill for it; but you can make
yourself ill with it. Good Luck.
=========================
==========================
======== Leon: ====
"Occupied" is when someone else decides that the same land is up for
grabs because they can take it as theirs'
--------- You did not accept MY game.
Why I supposed to accept unconditionally
your rules, your mentality, and your small
trickery - without preserving my rights for
MY way of thinking and MY interests?
This is how you understand the democracy,
equality, and other things, which you would
probably not reject formally. In MY "Question"
"original" is not from "origin" but from
"rare", "extravagant", "not like something else":
which is a loan-translation (tracing-paper method)
from Russian. My "occupied" stands for "busy",
"occupied with sm-ing". By the time of sending
you my "QUESTION" I was already aware of
YOUR trick with "native" and "occupied" (like
"occupied territories"), but I wished you to
crack MY small logical "question": just to
support our conversation. And you - instead -
have made a different choice. Probably in our
conversation you had a different goal.
------- I've bben expecting it. But the place, where
you've inserted it, is not an appropriate one. I feel
that you were inspired not by some literary stylistics
but by a strange game's rules.
** "which is my "thanks given"..but today is my only day off and my wake
call was delaid. I was delaid. Willingly delaid.
But now I am further delayed and not Finnish.
I am More Rushin than YOU might think.
soon I shall look at this
till then
later
------- Even if you have been joking,
even then you shouldn't mention that
"trust".
*This is good example of "yuk-yuk" joke.
------- I see. But you'll better keep it
for yourself.
*Both sides?
Someone once told me that when both sides mistrust you, it is a good
Sign that you are being "fair"
------- This is an open insult, in a near-rude
style. I mean that this is one of the typical Israeli
cyber-terrorists' stamps, which they often use
against critics of Israeli terrorism.
I have no doubts that you know, why.
If - theoretically
(I don't mean that you're thinking so) -
U can expect MI (sol, la) sending U
why-RUSES, then ai can SS-pect U
been not in A-meri-Car, but in T_E_L
A_V_I_V, writing to me for a liaison's
psychological test for Mossad.
"a liason's psychological test" ?
"why-RUSES?"?
-------- So, you don't catch it - when
I'M playing with words? And my "tasks"
are much easier then yours. And much
more fair.
This reminds me of a book by William Steig called: "CDB"
--------- It can remind you whatever you want.
If I were you, I would probably mentioned that
your judgement sometimes reminds me Victor
Ostrovsky's book "By Way of Deception".
PPS I hope my little computer can do it. (open a zip) I work at home on
a used office computer that someone gave to me out of the goodness of
their heart.
-------- Could he / she / they ("of the goodness
of their heart") "give to you out" a better computer,
the one appropriate for maintaining your life in
dignity? Why a working woman in United States,
a country, which teaches everyone, how to behave
and how to build a democracy, can not buy a
normal, not a small, computer?
*Nope. I have "priorities" : like my "dental debt", new roof on house,
hole
in ceiling. I need new refrigerator, stove.etc. I don't have a car..but
if I did it probably would NOT be a Lincoln, etc..
-------- Isn't it more fair in Canada,
where many of dental treatments are
covered by Medicare?
** Hey that is a "good" poetical idea about nasty computer hackers!
..intrusive behavior and then rape!..feel free to run with the idea..i
believe in
creative fractals that lead to mutual inspirational orgasms..creative
projects, n'est-ce pas? ok let me get back ..to the future..
m.
------- i could better say "multiple orgasms"
*Only, if ambidextrous
------- Isn't it from a famous American
"laugh show"?
I understand this as just another insult,
which you've directed at me because I
am a man.
Why do you pretend that men are more
accustomed to masturbation then women?
Scientifically women are more accustomed
to masturbation.
Or maybe you mean "double penetration"?
> I am fairly good at research but ....not so good at Geek.
> YOU sound like YOU speak Fluent Geek.
----- U R (F)3 2 colla t' GEEK. as U wish.
However, my opinion is that Geek is a culture.
After culture comes geek languge, geek erotique,
et les autre chose.
*That's getting a little Greek about it.
------ You didn't catch another joke.
My intended grammatical mistake in
French was a referral to the gender
questin. I am not homophobic, it was
only a joke.
> I am a Alice in Wonderland Full of Gracie.
(Burns and Allen)
---------- Well, I did not remember, who
are Burns and Allen, but their names just
in the air, and I've suggested they are some
of American idols.
> Which is what my friends call me,
------- I don't understand, what you mean by
"margins in windows XP". Is that desktop
margins - or what? I can understand about
margins in Word, or Word Perfect, or....
May be: you mean: "marginal"?
*The point was I couldn't tell them how to fix it directly. I made it
"purple" and then they could change it. In other words ..it was an
absurd
way to solve the problem, but it worked. Things work like that for me in
the universe.
----------- You did not answer my question.
Probably, the whole thing was a pure
improvisation.
------- you're one of the heroes' type. Me too.
Unfortunately.
*Hero's type? Me, a Leander?
I know a hero type, quite well. He reached out and grabbed his
schizophrenic sister as she lept off a bridge. He held her dangling in
his
arms intent upon holding her or else going over the bridge with her. It
was
a country road and after 10 minutes it was likely he would go as
well..but
just then a truck came by and stopped. And she lived long to shot her
brains out another time.
He is not a hero 24-7
--------- Nope. He's a hero. A true hero.
Now let me explain sm-ing about unfairness
of your puzzles. Here is an example :
he came by 4 x $
You'll probably crack it. But a person from
another culture or someone in ex-USSR would
not. Guess why.
Or this one:
he loves you, 24 x 7
You'll crack it for sure. Can even an
intellectual person from China, who's
not exposed to the west culture, crack
it. I doubt. Guess, why.
-------- Me - I'm not obsessed of how I'm looking
I'm able to stand it.
*Ah. You're the lucky one. How about the rest of the world? Unless you
are a hermit, they have no choice! Hah (sotto voce)
--------- OK, I am a hermit. If
you like to call me so. Another -
unprovoked!!! - insult. (Remember?
I've only said, "not obsessed". Nothin'
'bout ignorance? Correct?)
By the way, this is typical for ISRAELI
mentality. I am not telling you that - in my
opinion - you are an Israeli. But you might
spend some time in Israel. Or you've been to
Israeli clubs, camps or organisations. Or were
in midst of Israeli environment. Or had several
closest friends-Israelis. This is why people
all around the world don't like them (don't
cut me here; I don't mean every "sabra", I
just mean a "typical" ("stereoTYPICAL")
Israeli).
=======================
For me, it's more important how I feel. .
Since I came to Canada
..........................
..........................
*I only understand that Israel and Israelis exude a general
paranoia.
Why is that, do you suppose? Is it paranoia or persecution
complex? Either way it is a virus that infects and re-infects.
There may be immunity before during and after exposure.
Only the autopsy will prove if it was the disease or
the fear of the disease that killed you.
---------- "A general paranoia", which they exude,
is their "self-inflicted" paranoia, intentionally
inflicted by them to themselves, and - simultaneously -
to the world. They like when they are hated and
afraid of. They WANT to be "evil" and "terrible".
And they are.
Unfortunately enough,
I have received a very special e-mail from Israel,
................................
Bad enough, ah?
*This sounds like "X-Files" .
What is a "plumb"? is that a filling? As in silver or gold or mercury?
----------- Say that nobody has threatened
me. That I am lying about threats, letters,
etc. Go on!
(However, "everybody" in RuNet (Russian
Internet) knows, what happened and who was
threatening me, and by what threats).
------- I am "officially" restricted from Yahoo and
other free mailboxes.
*Officially?! Why, if I may ask?
Yahoo is "free" and you often get what you pay for, or rather what is
allowed by the service provider..ads...: tis their service and they do
not have to give it to you; nor do you have to use it.
If I provided such a service it would be "fair" for me to choose how it
can be used.
------------- All my yahoo mailboxes were closed,
and I never received a response to my requests,
why.
*Outlook Express is Mossad-Made?
I use it because I can embed my pictures; my art work, without
attachments
and with a background.
--------------- What about ICQ? Did you
understand my point? You have been
responding very quickly to the first part
of my phrase, while completely ignoring
the second. Why it is so?
Now - isn't Netscape, or BAT, or other
mailing programs doing the same?
(I mean - sending mails in colour etc.)
Why Explorer is mandatory for you?
Is that because you were accustomed with
its interface and menues?
-----------------------
Any submission from not made by me mailing
program will endanger my system's security. My
mailing program looks like Netscape 3, but it is not.
-----------------------
------- When I was deported from my native
Belarus to Warsaw, and in Warsaw kidnapped
*You were deported?
And kidnapped?
Like Vanunu?
Why would Israel want you? If Warsaw. didn't?
------------ Another insult. If they did it
to Vanunu - why should they not do it
to someone else? They kidnap thousands
of people because of different reasons.
They ignore all existing international laws
and regulations.
You want to know more: read my work on
Israeli terrorism
-----------------------
Till 2001 all libraries in Montreal allowed
you to read their books without even asking
your ID. Then they became more and more
suspicious and demanding: as a result of 911
Israeli-American assault on rights and freedoms.
----------------------
Because of ID? "
---------- Don't make fun of this.
This is a very serious question.
** My library takes ID for a card or to use the computers. But
anyone can sit and read in the library and I will even give a paperback
away if one needs something to read.
----------- It doesn't mean that your library
is good, and you don't waste your time in there.
** Academic libraries are more strict, as well they should be because of
the great theft that goes on.
With what I know about what happens to books re: vandalism, etc...I
would probably be MORE strict.
------------ I already know this.
This objectively concludes from
your "logic" in general. You
SOUND like Israelis, and you're
echoing Israelis, who want to
make EVERYTHING in ANY
country in the world more strict.
(I refer to Jill Troy, Bnei Brith,
ADL, and other Jewish sources).
I did not want to speak any more
about politics. But you were asking
more questions, and when I sincerely
answered them, you made up a new
political discussion. If you did not
believe me, if you did not trust me
initially: then why to communicate?
--------------------------
Now the libraries, which belong to Jewish
organisations, or are controlled by them, or
have an incorporated Jewish authority
.......................
---------------------------
*"Now the libraries............"
I do not buy into this being "incorporated Jewish authority"
-------------- Why?
-------------------------------
A good example is McGill University's
libraries.
-------------------------------
*You have a right, of course, to express yourself anyway you wish but
..NOT to me. I do not tolerate language or people who use the word "dirty"
in
specific or general context about ANY ethnic grou...p.whether it be about
Jews or
Muslims, Israelis or Arabs..etc..etc..
------------------ Another rowdy insult.
"dirty" magnates: because Bronfmans
made their fortune through fraud and
crime. They were smuggling vine when
it was forbidden, and this was a beginning
of their wealth. Conrad Black is just another
crook, who's under an investigation right
now. And Aspers are the most odious from
them. These are the most famous Jewish
magnates in Canada. And this has nothing
to do with nationality or religion. I interpret
that they belong to Jews as a presence of a
membership in a certain organisation. This
has nothing to do with ethnicy as you claim.
However, "Israelis" is very different from
"Arabs": because "Arabs" is an ethnic origin.
And "Israelis" is rather a brotherhood then
an ethnicy.
** This is the sort of thing that keeps Israel from having to do the
"right" thing..because everyone focuses on "anti-semitism" instead of
International and Humanitarian laws.
---------- The "sort of thing that keeps Israel
from having to do the right thing" is its racist
nature and expansionism (including Israel's
terrorist-activity orientation). And - of course:
the nature of its foundation on the cornerstone
of the Arab genocide and deportation.
** YOU have empowered the things you protest the most. It is a nasty habit,
but one that can be broken, rejected and/or replaced.
I simply do not have time to wait for your "rehab" and indeed you may
not be rehabilitated.
Thee is also the chance You may become the thing you hate most about
them
----------- All this is rather your nasty habit, not mine.
In Montreal, the Jewish General Hospital, Israguard,
and other organisations and institutions are squeezing
Canada's and Quebec's sovereignty, having lot of
privileges and a status of a "state within a state". Why
other ethnic or religious, or other groups don't have the
same rights here? You can find facts about what's really
going on my web site. But if you don't want to know this:
it is YOUR choice. But don't accuse me then and don't blame
me. Even a convicted criminal has the right for parole, for
explaining his proper version of events. And you're accusing
me without giving me a word? Good of you!
** I have had to say "goodbye" to a few folk who do this. I think that may
be the case with you, Leon.
This is a "skin head" mentality and if it could be depicted as a
disease, I would call it: "cancer of the soul"
I have no time to spare for it.
Au revoir, Leon. I wish you, better.
M.
PS I re wrote this from home to be more obvious and clear about my
rejection of your thinking. I do not wish you ill for it; but you can
make yourself ill with it. Good Luck.
------ If you wish to place it in this way - you're welcomed.
Then I leave myself an option to answer you publicly:
through my web site.
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====== Alice in Wonderland: =====
*** Basically, you now think I am insulting you ? because I have rejected
the word
"dirty" the way you used it. I do not like that word applied the way you
used it.
You are of course entitled to use whatever words you wish at your own discretion;
but I am entitled not to have any part of them.
For whatever misunderstanding you have about "my" language, I, of course,
apologise for any disrespect. I wonder if you will afford me the same
courtesy,
but that remains to be seen and is rhetorical .
You chose to write to me.
I chose to answer you; but do not wish to take up any more time with it.
I told you the very first time you wrote to me with a libel against "all"
Israelis
in general, that I am "defensive" of the better folk I know, who are Israeli.
I
applaud the good work that they do and bless them for it. I wish there were
more
of them to support.
That you do not think they exist is your problem, not mine.
I am not interested in pro-zionist versus anti-zionist.
Your animosity is a curiosity to me, but has no bearing... beyond a distraction.
I am interested in expressing myself as a US citizen, and am in focus of
my USA
tax dollar going (in foreign aid) towards the support of illegal
administrative detentions, in particularly "minors", Palestinian youths under
the
age of 18, who languish in military prisons. I am as interested in
ceasing the
illegal settlements and stopping the demolition of Palestinian homes in massive
retaliations.
I am interested in my officials investigating violations of international
law and
humanitarian law.
A few of my Israeli friends still believe in people getting along in a one
state
solution. Although I think that is impossible, I respect their belief (wishes)
as
they respect mine.
I do not think you have this same respect for me, but you may surprise me
and
prove me wrong .
Not only do I not think that you will apologize for any misunderstanding
on YOUR
part...but as I understand it? if I do not answer you, will respond
to me on you
website? that sounds like a threat. And I do not like threats. It is
a form of
"bullying" that I am always opposed to.
I am practical and do not have much time to spend with you about this.
And now because of your anger about it and accussations, I especially do
not wish
to spend any further time.
Are you respectful of that?
I am sorry if your life has been difficult. It makes you sound angry and
bitter,
but that could just be the way I read you.
I liked the small ammount of poetry I read, but not your politick.
My intention is honest reaction and if you are taking it to feed
any more paranoia, it only serves to warn me further.
This is as polite as I can make it and I hope it will suffice:
I am sorry you read any insult into my humor or reactions.
If this sincerity does not satisfy you then you must think upon what you
are about
and try to avoid willful misinterpretation.
I play no game and do not wish to enforce rules or threats. I simply wish
for you
to go away and be about your own business as I intend to go about my own.
Good luck, Leon-Lev to you and your creative projects.
Sincerely, Alice in Wonderland La Rosa
PS "cracks me up" = makes some laugh
PPS I have had "yahoo" shut down as well as some of my friends. I kept calling
the
"800" number and asking for explaination of why and what I did wrong. I never
received an answered but I got the yahoo account back, I think by being
persistent. I believe the last yahoo person I spoke to came from Canada.
Plus I
told them that I was considering being a "paying" customer, so that may have
made
a difference. I find belligerence will not get you too far with a "free"
email
service. I tell this to the unhappy internet users at my library all the
time. If
it is for "free" than the owners get to decide the rules..ads..pop ups, etc..one
may question but the ultimate decision is theirs and unless you can prove
a
prejudice it is their call.
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How much of a minority ----- Original Message -----
From: "L. G." <leog@total.net>
To: "Alice in Wonderland" <m@
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: Mev Maeve
> *Nope. I have "priorities" : like my "dental debt", new roof on house,
> hole
> in ceiling. I need new refrigerator, stove.etc. I don't have a car..but
> if I did it probably would NOT be a Lincoln, etc..
>
> -------- Isn't it more fair in Canada,
> where many of dental treatments are
> covered by Medicare?
> ------- i could better say "multiple orgasms"
> *Only, if ambidextrous
> > I am fairly good at research but ....not so good at Geek.
> > YOU sound like YOU speak Fluent Geek.
>
> ----- U R (F)3 2 colla t' GEEK. as U wish.
> However, my opinion is that Geek is a culture.
> After culture comes geek languge, geek erotique,
> et les autre chose.
>
> *That's getting a little Greek about it.
>
> ------ You didn't catch another joke.
> My intended grammatical mistake in
> French was a referral to the gender
> questin. I am not homophobic, it was
> only a joke.
> ----------- You did not answer my question.
> Probably, the whole thing was a pure
> improvisation.
> --------- Nope. He's a hero. A true hero.
> Now let me explain sm-ing about unfairness
> of your puzzles. Here is an example :
> he came by 4 x $
>
> You'll probably crack it. But a person from
> another culture or someone in ex-USSR would
> not. Guess why.
>
> Or this one:
> he loves you, 24 x 7
>
> You'll crack it for sure. Can even an
> intellectual person from China, who's
> not exposed to the west culture, crack
> it. I doubt. Guess, why.
>
> > This cracks me up because it happens frequently. I guess I am a
puff of
> > fresh air... relative to the rest of the Old Farts.
> > I feel ancient in the morning especially after being up most of
night. It
> > is now 1:22 am
> > I look ravaged as well. Dark Circles under my eyes. Bags. Luggage.
> > I am a vampire before rising from the dead...
> --------- OK, I am a hermit. If
> you like to call me so. Another -
> unprovoked!!! - insult. (Remember?
> I've only said, "not obsessed". Nothin'
> 'bout ignorance? Correct?)
> ---------- "A general paranoia", which they exude,
> is their "self-inflicted" paranoia, intentionally
> inflicted by them to themselves, and - simultaneously -
> to the world. They like when they are hated and
> afraid of. They WANT to be "evil" and "terrible".
> And they are.
> *This sounds like "X-Files" .
> ----------- Say that nobody has threatened
> me. That I am lying about threats, letters,
> etc. Go on!
> (However, "everybody" in RuNet (Russian
> Internet) knows, what happened and who was
> threatening me, and by what threats).
> ------- I am "officially" restricted from Yahoo and
> other free mailboxes.
>
> *Officially?! Why, if I may ask?
> Yahoo is "free" and you often get what you pay for, or rather what is
> allowed by the service provider..ads...: tis their service and they
do
> not have to give it to you; nor do you have to use it.
>
> If I provided such a service it would be "fair" for me to choose how
it
> can be used.
> ------------- All my yahoo mailboxes were closed,
> and I never received a response to my requests,
> why.
> --------------- What about ICQ? You
> understand my point? You have been
> responding very quickly to the first part
> of my phrase, while completely ignoring
> the second. Why it is so?
> Now - isn't Netscape, or BAT, or other
> mailing programs doing the same?
>
> -----------------------
> Any submission from not made by me mailing
> program will endanger my system's security. My
> mailing program looks like Netscape 3, but it is not.
> -----------------------
> ----------- It doesn't mean that your library
> is good, and you don't waste your time in there.
>
> Academic libraries are more strict, as well they should be because of
> the
> great theft that goes on.
>
> With what I know about what happens to books re: vandalism, etc...I
> would probably be MORE strict.
>
> ------------ I already know this.
> This objectively concludes from
> your "logic" in general. You
> SOUND like Israelis, and you're
> echoing Israelis, who want to
> make EVERYTHING in ANY
> country in the world more strict.
> (I refer to Jill Troy, Bnei Brith,
> ADL, and other Jewish sources).
---------------------------
>
> I do not buy into this being "incorporated Jewish authority"
>
> -------------- Why?
>
> -------------------------------
> A good example is McGill University's
> libraries.
> -------------------------------
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======= Alice in Wonderland: =====
I acknowledge receiving this letter but wish you to send no more.
I shall not respond, except to your repetition about assuring me about your
previous threat concerning your website.
I am not worried about anything you can think say or write about "me"
because since I have no control over it, it would be absurd to do so.
I wrote to you privately, without an intended audience. If you did not
understand that before this email, you may consider it understood now. I
do
not give you permission to publish anything I have written.
Your behavior directly reflects upon your standard.
As such it is beyond my control and I can only be more pleasantly surprised,
Alice in Wonderland
Original Message:
-----------------
From: L. G. leog@total.net
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:15:08 -0800
To: mdda@
Subject: Re: Mev Maeve
Dear Alice in Wonderland!
You can accuse me in partiality but I don't think that in your
e-mails' exchange with me you were as sincere as I was with
you. And this last response that I read has more "little lie"
and impressions than all your previous letters:
> Basically, you now think I am insulting you ? because I have rejected
the
word "dirty" the way you used it. I do not like that word applied the way
you used it.
>
------- Not only. And you know this. It was only one of many.
> For whatever misunderstanding you have about "my" language, I,
of course, apologize for any disrespect. I wonder if you will afford
me the same courtesy, but that remains to be seen and is rhetorical .
-------- The question is: were your responses carrying the stylistics
of your creativity (your creative literary style), or were icy-minded
compositions of special IQ (education, etc.) arrogant tests. Because
I'm a poet, my reaction to the first and the second types of texts must
be radically different. When I understood that your letters are a bit
offensive (in some areas), and (without openly saying anything about
this) began to share some of YOUR methods of conversation, you
said au revoir.
> I told you the very first time you wrote to me with a libel against
"all"
Israelis in general, that I am "defensive" of the better folk I know, who
are Israeli. I applaud the good work that they do and bless them for it.
I
wish there were more of them to support.
--------- In my very first response I have proved that you were
blatantly inflicting an alleged "libelling" by perverting the sense
of my expression and pretending that I mean what in reality I
didn't mean. Now you're inflicting another blatant provocative
argument, by adding new details, which did not exist by then.
You wrote "the better folk I know", where "better" may be
interpreted as "better then..." and also "perfect" (indirectly).
There are 6 millions "Israelis" (I've already explained in my
previous letters, why it should be taken in brackets) in Israel,
and 4 millions people with Israeli citizenship leaving outside
Israel. If you so intellectual powerful as you pretended to be,
you must understand, what's my point. Your remark about
"better" and "folk" is completely rejected by this. I don't see
any "good work" that Israelis (I gave you 3 different definition
of Israelis, which you've completely ignored; in the same time
you MUST see, what definition I mean now: without accusing
me of libelling) did to the Middle East region, to the world or
to new immigrants, whom they deceived, robed, outrageously
exploited and persecuted.
> I am not interested in pro-zionist versus anti-zionist.
> Your animosity is a curiosity to me, but has no bearing... beyond a
distraction.
-------- What do you call a distraction?
> I am interested in expressing myself as a US citizen,
--------- Let me remind you that - in my opinion -
you don't represent ALL or even TYPICAL US
citizens, and, moreover, in my eyes, you are a
traitor of American interests (because USA interests
are not in defending the Israeli regime). Muslims, who
live in USA, US Christian anti-Israeli activists, and
many and many other US citizens, who closer to MY
views, then to YOURS: are they expressing themselves
as US citizens, or not? Or only YOU are?
> and am in focus of my USA tax dollar going (in foreign
aid) towards the support of illegal
administrative
> detentions, in particularly "minors", Palestinian youths
under the age of 18, who languish in
> military
> prisons. I am as interested in ceasing the illegal
settlements and stopping the demolition of
>Palestinian
> homes in massive retaliations.
-------- This all happens because of the very nature of Israeli
regime. You can not separate Israeli war crimes from the regime,
which has committed them (this is what you're trying to do).
ALL Israeli governments (Avoda and Liqud) were involved in war
crimes. Israeli crimes are the result of Israeli racism and Israeli
racist laws (which you refused to discuss), Israeli offensive and
tyrant criminal laws, Israeli anti-humanitarian cruel laws, Israeli
regulations, and legalisation of terrorism (justifying, making
available, ideologically supporting terrorism) in Israel. You may
call administrative detention "illegal" - but it completely legal in
Israel: you see the difference? Israeli crimes are possible because
of unconditional support, which United States give to Israel. This
support is possible because of Israeli (Jewish Zionist) political
lobby in US and because of the thousands of Jewish nationalists,
who occupied high-ranking positions in US administration, political
parties, ministries, municipalities, courts, economy, culture, media,
and so on and so on. If you don't see it: then you must close your
web site: because if even you don't work for MOSSAD, you are
doing a Mossad's job de jure et de facto. Your site (as far as I
learned) is an attempt to drift attention from the source of the
problem to the consequences, which is a sort of provocation.
> I am interested in my officials investigating violations of international
law and humanitarian law.
-------- Are you kidding? Do you really can not
understand how absurd you sound? Your present
administration is a puppet government, which the
Israeli-Jewish curators manipulate in any way they
want. And even your last 2 Presidents, who are not
completely brainwashed by Israeli Zionists, can do
nothing. How can you speak so if you know that
an investigation of Israeli military attack on US
vessel USS Liberty was torpedoed, and other Israeli
crimes against US were covered up as well. Israelis
brutally killed an American citizen, a female peace
activist: and there was no investigation.
> A few of my Israeli friends still believe in people
getting along in a one state solution. Although I think
that is impossible, I respect their belief (wishes) as
they respect mine.
--------- They are not honest, and you are not honest.
How can you expect this "solution" without changing
the nature of Israeli regime? How can you expect
this "getting along" after myriad of unspeakable
crimes against Palestinians, Christians and new
immigrants?
> I do not think you have this same respect for me,
but you may surprise me and prove me wrong.
---- You calling this "respect"......
> Not only do I not think that you will apologize
for any misunderstanding on YOUR part
-------- Let's clear it up. I wrote to you: because
you have represented yourself on the web as a
"humanitarian issues" defender. I made it strict from
the very beginning that I am interesting in the problem
of persecution of Christians in Israel, vandalism and
destruction of Christian churches and shrines by Israelis,
and Israeli "anti-missionary" laws. You did not want
even to discuss this. In your letter you have responded
by an ungrounded denial, and I have tried to defend my
views, describing facts, which you probably did
not know. Instead of evaluating my arguments and
facts, you completely ignored them, closing any
discussion about the nature of the State of Israel,
its global terrorist network and anti-Christian laws,
regulations and actions. I gave up, seeing a potential
in discussing poetry, literature and picking up some
language experience from conversations with a native-
born educated American. However, instead of discussing
literature or personal amusements, you started to play
smart games, implementing some politics in your responses.
(I did the same - and you must agree that we were both
guilty. But you see only my guilt, and mot yours).
For example, you wrote that - as a descendent of ancient
native American nation - you are not entitled to defend
Christians, and - on the contrary - you're accusing them.
If I understand correctly, this is the source of your
some sentiments towards this awful state (Israel).
** ...but as I understand it? if I do not answer you, will respond
to
me on you website? that sounds like a threat. And I do not like
threats. It is a form of "bullying" that I am always opposed to.
--------- It was typical in my disputes with Israeli "patriots"
and their defenders. For example, one of them used to
open a page, dedicated to me, on his / her web site. Such a page
could carry a title "About Gunin's mental illness". After my friends'
demands to the server to close this page, an Israeli "patriot" used
to send me a letter, with a proposal to discuss everything "in
private". If you'll insist, I will describe, how they made my
correspondence a tool for discrediting me. Now I'll skip the
details for saving time. I never met any Israeli Zionism's
ideological defender, who had moral standards and a civilized
manner in the dispute. Because I believe that even such an
ideological defense of some Israeli ideological stamps, as yours,
is immoral, I can not trust you. How can I? You see, to accuse
someone in something, without hearing what he will say in his
defense, is already immoral.
You don't want to know, what Israelis did to me, what they did and
what they are still doing to thousands of people from ex-USSR in
Israel, to the carriers of European culture, to Christians, to non-Jews.
You could find on my web site confessions of the Russian speaking
refugees from Israel. But you don't care. You don't want to listen.
You don't want to know. How then can you judge about my position
- if you don't want to know?
Once (in Israel) I came to police to complain about an incident, when
my apartment's front door was smashed by a neighbour, who hated
Russians. I saw an Arab, who received an order to appear at the police.
When they took him to the room, I heard how he was crying, and I
heard how they beat him. He wasn't a Palestinian. And I am not a
Palestinian, but I also was tortured by police, in 1991, and in 1994
2 policemen have arrested and beat me. An Israeli policemen has
approached a Russian speaking solder in Tel-Aviv, in a restaurant,
and killed him only because the solder spoke Russian with his friends.
I think that to take the problem of Palestinians - and separate it from
persecution of other minorities in Israel is a serious crime.
Unfortunately, most of the Western media sources and human rights
organisations (it is good that Amnesty now started to revise this) are
guilty in this crime, not just you.
> I am practical and do not have much time to spend with you about this.
> And now because of your anger about it and accussations, I especially
do not wish to spend any further time.
> Are you respectful of that?
------ Don't worry. I'm not going to write about you
on my web site. I only wish you stop discriminating other
victims of Israeli savage. (Maybe I'll make our dialogs
available on the net by rewriting them in terms to make
your personality unrecognisable).
> I am sorry if your life has been difficult. It makes you
sound angry and bitter, but that could just be the way I read you.
> I liked the small ammount of poetry I read, but not your politick.
------- And I see the bitterness in your words about cruel European
criminals, who destroyed ancient American civilisations. I consider
this as a source of your conformist position towards the State of
Israel. In the same time, there is a big difference. YOU were not
persecuted by "cruel Europeans". But MY life did not become more
difficult simply because of objective reasons. Israelis made it more
difficult.
> I am sorry you read any insult into my humor or reactions.
------- I am sorry if I was wrong about it (which is very much possible).
> PPS I have had "yahoo" shut down as well as some of my friends. I kept
calling the "800" number and asking for explaination of why and what I did
wrong. I never received an answered but I got the yahoo account back, I
think by being persistent. I believe the last yahoo person I spoke to came
from Canada. Plus I told them that I was considering being a "paying"
customer, so that may have made a difference. I find belligerence will not
get you too far with a "free" email service. I tell this to the unhappy
internet users at my library all the time. If it is for "free" than the
owners get to decide the rules..ads..pop ups, etc..one may question but the
ultimate decision is theirs and unless you can prove a prejudice it is
their call.
-------- Yahoo closes my accounts faster then I manage to send
a mail after opening a new account.
I am sorry if I caused some psychological inconveniences.
Yours,
Leon
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